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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    It is notable they didn't call him a liar when asking him to stop though, huh?
    Second paragraph: "these statements are incorrect". This is admittedly in response to his assertion that he had not been contacted. Saying he was lying about the records is not possible, since he was the only one to see them. Either he is lying, or Tiller was. That raises serious credibility issues in my mind.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    All the records he saw were redacted. He can't possibly give away private information when he himself never saw any names.

    They wanted him to cease and desist because he makes it difficult for them to continue to refuse to answer the question:

    Is Tiller killing viable babies with no regard for the irreversible maternal heath threat law on the books?

    That's why they wanted him to stop.
    The Supreme Court comment was from before McHugh saw the records. This makes a consipracy to silence him seem unlikely.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The story you linked to says Tiller raised money but ultimately was unsuccessful:




    Doesn't seem like they had much political muscle as you keep indicating in post after post after post... Also, the story doesn't say how much Operation Rescue and other groups gave in support of Phill Kline. You got any info on that?
    Kline won the first DA race. He lost second time around.

    Both sides of the abortion agenda poor oodles and oodles of money into kansas; all campaigns. Kansas is where the big abortion fights play out.

    The story then goes on to say that this guy, Kline, went after Tiller with everything he had, but was unsuccessful in getting any convictions.

    You keep saying in all your posts that Tiller had all this politic pull and manipulated the system. However the story you linked to seems to indicate the opposite. Tiller was the underdog. The pro-lifer's had the power, with the exception of the Governor--thank goodness for checks and balances, eh?

    So, when all the political muscle and money could not stop Tiller, someone took matters into his own hands. Great.

    What would happen if people started doing that on any issue where they didn't get what they wanted?
    Well the story is recent - post Tiller death and it's MSNBC but what I figured you would be able to get from it is how huge and all encompassing the abortion fight is in Kansas for all sides. Guess not.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The Supreme Court comment was from before McHugh saw the records. This makes a consipracy to silence him seem unlikely.
    Mc Hugh was dropped from the case, never called as an expert witness to the stand, he also only saw redacted records and never any names. There is no conspiracy to silence him. He's spoken quite freely and gone into great detail on what he saw. He was threatened to quit doing interviews.

    meh, if they could get him on anything they would have.

    If what he said about the records was a lie they could call him on it, or have the records reviewed by others. But nope. They didn't.

    why not? That's the question.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Second paragraph: "these statements are incorrect". This is admittedly in response to his assertion that he had not been contacted. Saying he was lying about the records is not possible, since he was the only one to see them. Either he is lying, or Tiller was. That raises serious credibility issues in my mind.
    The state hired him to review the records; all redacted. The state requested the records back from him when he was finished - he gave them back.

    Am I to believe that the only folks to ever see these redacted records and what was contained there in are Tiller and McHugh?

    Please. They were evidence in a case.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The state hired him to review the records; all redacted. The state requested the records back from him when he was finished - he gave them back.

    Am I to believe that the only folks to ever see these redacted records and what was contained there in are Tiller and McHugh?

    Please. They were evidence in a case.
    If there is some one else who could verify what was in the records, that person has chosen not to. Anything beyond that is supposition and guesswork. The conspiracy to silence McHugh theory though falls apart when he was violating a Supreme Court order from before he ever started talking to the media, when based on the Cease and Desist order, he had been lying about whether the AG's office had contacted him, when he violated the Kansas Rules of Professional Conduct. The Cease and Desist order is quite clear(I got it from Operation Rescue, so I am sure it is not biased in the AG's favor), and McHugh was quite clearly in violation in at least 2 ways of the law, which lead up to the Cease and Desist order.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well the story is recent - post Tiller death and it's MSNBC but what I figured you would be able to get from it is how huge and all encompassing the abortion fight is in Kansas for all sides. Guess not.
    Why do you say 'guess not.' I read the story and noted that some of the facts didn't back up statements you continue to make about Tiller having the politicians in his pockets. According to the story you posted, that wasn't the case at all.

    Actually, this was the line that stood out for me:

    "There's a very prominent vein in Kansas politics that tends toward moral righteousness," said Kansas State University political scientist Joe Aistrup. That contributes to the unending abortion battle: "It's an unsettled debate that produces extremists on both sides."
    I guess the extremist on the pro-choice side would be Tiller. I'll agree with that. He pushed the legal/ethical boundary.

    You should rent a movie called Citizen Ruth.-- Great dark comedy portrayal of Pro-lifers and pro-choice folks.

    Also, the question I asked in the previous post:

    What would happen if every time we were disappointed or angry about the outcome of an election or a court case, we went out forced our will and beliefs on the world the way Scott Roeder did?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Time zones are a bastard, it will take me an hour to catch up

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    What would happen if every time we were disappointed or angry about the outcome of an election or a court case, we went out forced our will and beliefs on the world the way Scott Roeder did?
    Well that's a pretty far out "what if". No one has condoned what Roeder had done and people that disturbed are lone nut cases. Can you tie this hypothetical into the debate at hand?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Time zones are a bastard, it will take me an hour to catch up
    You are a speed reader then.

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