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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I just have a hard time seeing a wide ranging conspiracy to protect this guy. It seems far from credible. There is no real credible evidence of such a conspiracy, it is wishful thinking to condemn the actions of a guy you dislike.
    Obviously we disagree. That's ok. I can find him to be the scum of the Earth while you remain impartial and content with the fact that he never lost in court.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Obviously we disagree. That's ok. I can find him to be the scum of the Earth while you remain impartial and content with the fact that he never lost in court.
    You are misrepresenting my position. I have yet to see any solid evidence that would make me question a court decision. There is a doctor who made claims, but that doctor had previously protested Tiller's clinic. The governor was supposedly bribed, except the amount of money is trivial. My position is that everything needed to make the case against Tiller is hearsay or guesswork, and far from credible.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    To me those are two separate issues. All the talk about him murdering healthy babies for no other reason other than being a murderer and that all of these women were complicit in aiding him makes me cross-eyed. It makes no sense to me for anyone to make a claim like that.

    The legal issues he faced are a different issue in my mind but as far as I know, he was acquitted, yes?


    He was never acquitted of charges claiming he failed to meet the irreversible maternal health threat on some of his late term abortions.

    Those charges did not make it into court.

    He was acquitted in regards to using an employee for second opinions. Despite the fact that he continuously used the same women she was considered a "contractor" and not an employee and their financial agreements were not considered illegal. His acquittal basically consisted of, "Yeah it is ok to use her repeatedly as your second opinion - no problem."

    He was never found to be innocent in regards to killing viable babies in healthy mothers.

    Though he was due back in court before being offed.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are misrepresenting my position. I have yet to see any solid evidence that would make me question a court decision. There is a doctor who made claims, but that doctor had previously protested Tiller's clinic. The governor was supposedly bribed, except the amount of money is trivial. My position is that everything needed to make the case against Tiller is hearsay or guesswork, and far from credible.
    The Dr. who reviewed Tiller's records protested outside the clinic????

    I've never heard that. I think you're mistaken.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The Dr. who reviewed Tiller's records protested outside the clinic????

    I've never heard that. I think you're mistaken.
    Was in this thread, a few pages back.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Posted this in another thread, but I thought it'd be more appropriate here:

    Aside from the obvious differences between what an unborn fetus should have...

    Is there or is there NOT a pretty significant difference between the rape and murder of an 8 month old and legal optional choice of a woman to abort her fetus.

    I mean, besides the fact that, oh I don't know- one was definitely alive and the other could still have been stillborn. Besides the fact that one was legal and the other was illegal. Besides the fact that one had rape involved and the other didn't. Besides the fact that Rapist/Murderer A chose to end the life of a toddler and Doctor B did what he was legally obligated to do and what Paying Customer C paid him to do (this is a capitalistic society right?).

    I don't understand why Doctor B should be justifiably murdered even though he wouldn't be "murdering fetuses" without the consent of Paying Customer C. I don't really think he enjoys "murdering fetuses" but we all do work our jobs to get money right? Why should Tiller be the target of violence when he's doing what is legally his right to do? Why shouldn't these insane psychopath confused Pro-life (irony?) murderers go after the women who choose to have the abortions? Why don't they use the same scare tactics on them?

    Can we agree that, if ANYBODY (which I don't agree with, as I'm pro-choice) is to be morally blameworthy for these actions, shouldn't it be the women who make the decisions to go see the big bad abortion doctors? Also, if the Tiller killer instead killed the women who went to go see Tiller, would he be getting as much support from some pro-lifers as he is now?
    Would any pro-lifers actually like to respond to this? The only two responses involved derailing the entire point of my post to avoid answering the questions I asked.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He was ignored because he was not credible. There is still no credible evidence that Tiller did anything illegal, and plenty of evidence he did nothing illegal.

    And yet you are glad he is dead, based on weak at best evidence of possible misconduct.
    Personally it is not whether he did anything illegal that I care about, although wishing him dead is the wrong term --thinking he was a monster is better, but whether he doing late-term abortions when the mother was not in serious danger.

    Even the pro-abort BBC article implied he was although I have not seen conclusive proof so I will suspend my judgment.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Personally it is not whether he did anything illegal that I care about, although wishing him dead is the wrong term --thinking he was a monster is better, but whether he doing late-term abortions when the mother was not in serious danger.

    Even the pro-abort BBC article implied he was although I have not seen conclusive proof so I will suspend my judgment.
    AS I understand it, isn't doing late term abortions illegal except under certain circumstances?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    AS I understand it, isn't doing late term abortions illegal except under certain circumstances?
    Probably. What is needed is more info on the circumstances he was doing it under but even the pro-abortion Brussels broadcasting corporation seemed to be implying he was doing it for things wider than serious danger to the mother.

    That would, if the proof was more conclusive, make him a terrible man in my book whatever the law of the particular state was. Although I would not wish him murdered or dead.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    To me those are two separate issues. All the talk about him murdering healthy babies for no other reason other than being a murderer and that all of these women were complicit in aiding him makes me cross-eyed. It makes no sense to me for anyone to make a claim like that.

    The legal issues he faced are a different issue in my mind but as far as I know, he was acquitted, yes?


    For lack of evidence. Lack of evidence because any law that would have brought oversite to his murder mill was vetoed by the governor receiving campaign funds from his clinic. And therein lies the rub...

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