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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Offing perfectly healthy babies is not a practice that is unheard of. I would have no issue if there was some oversight to Tiller's practice. However, with all the secrecy and direct attempts to block legitimate investigation, there should be no surprise that the worst possible scenario is entertained by his detractors.
    To me those are two separate issues. All the talk about him murdering healthy babies for no other reason other than being a murderer and that all of these women were complicit in aiding him makes me cross-eyed. It makes no sense to me for anyone to make a claim like that.

    The legal issues he faced are a different issue in my mind but as far as I know, he was acquitted, yes?




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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    She said she did not trust doctors, that doctors can be corrupt. She said that the evidence against Tiller is based largely on the word of a single doctor. You cannot see an issue with those two statements from one person?
    Had they brought in another dr. to review Tiller's records and that dr. disagreed with the first drs. assessment then we'd be getting somewhere in regards to Tiller's innocence or lack of following the law.

    As it stands now the Dr. who reviewed the cases was ignored, the question of whether there was irreversible maternal health threats is ignored, and the governor has thwarted the senate's attempts to see to it that answers are gotten to those questions. Basically the question is now off the table.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    not even so much as a specific diagnosis of the mother.
    wtf?



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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Had they brought in another dr. to review Tiller's records and that dr. disagreed with the first drs. assessment then we'd be getting somewhere in regards to Tiller's innocence or lack of following the law.

    As it stands now the Dr. who reviewed the cases was ignored, the question of whether there was irreversible maternal health threats is ignored, and the governor has thwarted the senate's attempts to see to it that answers are gotten to those questions. Basically the question is now off the table.
    He was ignored because he was not credible. There is still no credible evidence that Tiller did anything illegal, and plenty of evidence he did nothing illegal.

    And yet you are glad he is dead, based on weak at best evidence of possible misconduct.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    OK, but here is the thing. The case against Tiller is largely based on the unproven words of that one doctor, who previously protested against Tiller. If he is to be suspect, and Talloulou states accurately that there are corrupt doctors so he should be, the case against Tiller becomes very weak.
    The case against Tiller became very weak when it became politicized. Instead of being concerned with the actual law on the books it became a nightmare of campaigns, campaign monies, changing DA's, changing state prosecutors, etc. The questions that were being asked were basically shut down as the governor trumped the senate with her veto.

    My issue is that there is no transparency and there was an obvious effort to shut down any investigation into the truth of what was occurring in Tiller's clinic.

    If the state of Kansas has a law they ought to also have a means of seeing to it that the law is followed - beyond the word of the Dr. accused of breaking the law.

    Currently, they do not.

    I have no problem with folks saying the Dr. who reviewed Tiller's records was a pathological liar. I'm fine with that. But bring in other drs. to review the records again. Don't just claim "lies" and shut the book. Sort out the truth.

    The governor at the time made it all but to impossible to get to the truth. The only reason she could have for doing so was to buffer Tiller from the law.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He was ignored because he was not credible. There is still no credible evidence that Tiller did anything illegal, and plenty of evidence he did nothing illegal.

    And yet you are glad he is dead, based on weak at best evidence of possible misconduct.
    He absolutely was not ignored because he was deemed uncredible.

    He was ignored because the question was considered unworthy by those who wanted to buffer Tiller from the law.

    A prosecutor was fired and a new one brought in. That new prosecutor dropped the old guys charges and IMO in order to not look so obvious about sweeping the whole thing under the rug he drummed up some insubstantial charges about 2nd opinions.

    When the senate tried to clarify the issue by requesting "private" no names diagnosis to see to it that Tiller was meeting the current state law the governor vetoed that legislation.

    So basically while there is a strict cut off point with maternal health being a factor in reality there is no such thing because none of that ever has to be documented.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Did somebody say True Debate?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He was ignored because he was not credible. There is still no credible evidence that Tiller did anything illegal, and plenty of evidence he did nothing illegal.

    And yet you are glad he is dead, based on weak at best evidence of possible misconduct.
    I don't believe the evidence against him is weak. I believe many people were engaged in willfully obscuring what was happening in Tiller's clinic where women came from around the world and around the country to see him. Women who couldn't get the same services anywhere else.

    And yes, I'm happy he's gone. I'd be a liar if I said otherwise. To me he is no different than a serial killer.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I don't believe the evidence against him is weak. I believe many people were engaged in willfully obscuring what was happening in Tiller's clinic where women came from around the world and around the country to see him. Women who couldn't get the same services anywhere else.

    And yes, I'm happy he's gone. I'd be a liar if I said otherwise. To me he is no different than a serial killer.
    I just have a hard time seeing a wide ranging conspiracy to protect this guy. It seems far from credible. There is no real credible evidence of such a conspiracy, it is wishful thinking to condemn the actions of a guy you dislike.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    And what am I allegedly ignorant of ?

    The content of your off topic appeal to emotion ?
    Let me make it a little easier to understand:

    That you choose to ignore the fact that an unborn infant's body produces a chemical that keeps the air sacs of the lungs open (necessary for gas exchange within the lungs to oxygenate the blood, which allows the child to survive independent of its mother), plus makes breathing motions while still within the womb (an indication that, if outside the womb, it would still make those same breathing motions, only the baby would be inhaling air instead of amniotic fluid) allows me to believe that you prefer to live in denial.

    Hope that helps

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