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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is what has so many of us so upset. Tiller was not a convicted criminal. There are huge, gaping holes in any case against Tiller. The best document you can come up with against him is the argument of a doctor who has protested Tiller previously, and who you believe unquestionably, despite your stated distrust of doctors. And yet you are happy that a guy is dead.
    I'm not happy a guy is dead but I am happy a sadist won't be ripping the heads off babies anymore.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Why...that's not what she said at all.

    Now she can correct me if I am wrong, but I think her issue is with the intentional lack of transparency Tiller Baby-killer had. Normally if people are going out of their way to hide something...
    She said she did not trust doctors, that doctors can be corrupt. She said that the evidence against Tiller is based largely on the word of a single doctor. You cannot see an issue with those two statements from one person?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    She said she did not trust doctors, that doctors can be corrupt. She said that the evidence against Tiller is based largely on the word of a single doctor. You cannot see an issue with those two statements from one person?
    No, I don't see an issue with those two statements. In fact, I am much in agreement with them. I trust two opposing doctors checking against each other much more than I trust a single doctor or a pair of doctors in collusion with one another.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, I don't see an issue with those two statements. In fact, I am much in agreement with them. I trust two opposing doctors checking against each other much more than I trust a single doctor or a pair of doctors in collusion with one another.
    But why is the word of one more believable than the word of another? Both had an interest in this, on opposite sides.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    But why is the word of one more believable than the word of another? Both had an interest in this, on opposite sides.
    I don't think one is more believable than the other. I think that the two have a vested interest in vindicating their own ideals so if left in an adversarial dynamic, the truth would be closer than allowing one or the other to dictate, unchallenged, what truth is.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't think one is more believable than the other. I think that the two have a vested interest in vindicating their own ideals so if left in an adversarial dynamic, the truth would be closer than allowing one or the other to dictate, unchallenged, what truth is.
    OK, but here is the thing. The case against Tiller is largely based on the unproven words of that one doctor, who previously protested against Tiller. If he is to be suspect, and Talloulou states accurately that there are corrupt doctors so he should be, the case against Tiller becomes very weak.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    OK, but here is the thing. The case against Tiller is largely based on the unproven words of that one doctor, who previously protested against Tiller. If he is to be suspect, and Talloulou states accurately that there are corrupt doctors so he should be, the case against Tiller becomes very weak.
    Well the case against Tiller is intentionally kept in a weakened state because any attempt at oversight of Tiller's murder mill was intentionally blocked by a governor who was receiving sizable contributions from Tiller. That alone is enough to raise an eyebrow again.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well the case against Tiller is intentionally kept in a weakened state because any attempt at oversight of Tiller's murder mill was intentionally blocked by a governor who was receiving sizable contributions from Tiller. That alone is enough to raise an eyebrow again.
    That is still an assumption on your part. It's amazing how much of the case against the man is third hand, based on sources biased against the guy, and assumption.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is still an assumption on your part. It's amazing how much of the case against the man is third hand, based on sources biased against the guy, and assumption.
    The same can be said of any defense of Tiller, too.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The same can be said of any defense of Tiller, too.
    To an extent, yes. But, Tiller is the accused, the burden of proof is on the accusers.

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