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    Question Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    Your ignorance allows me to conclude that you prefer living in denial.
    And what am I allegedly ignorant of ?

    The content of your off topic appeal to emotion ?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I wasn't forced to admit anything. I made a mistake and got mixed up in regards to DAs and state prosecutors. No biggie IMO. If you think I'm wrong again point it out. The information is widely accessible, easily gotten, and all over the net.
    if the next poster had not exposed your unforced error would you have changed your post.

    If it is doesnt that go to your credibility
    Last edited by B L Zeebub; 06-08-09 at 04:25 PM.

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    Arrow Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Pray tell. When did I ever say other American's "don't get to have views" because mine is so accurate? I'll save you the trouble.
    Oh now I remember, its that if their views don't match yours, then they are a scumbag.

    The point I was making about religion, was not about your religion, whatever it may be, or even if you don't have one. It was about acknowledging the religious liberty of others. It was about not calling them scumbags just because they hold a different view than you do, regarding what can often be a "religious" question.

    No Zippers were raised or lowered in the creation of this post.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Not talking about a baby.
    I know you need to devalue the baby so that your conscience can remain unstained by your advocation of murdering children, but by all standards of reason, we are talking about a baby by that stage of development. It's awfully funny the somersaults in logic the mind will endure as a coping mechanism against our own base thoughts.

    incorrect. It states
    :

    I know what it states. Nothing in that statement makes my assertion false. If you think it does, please elaborate but I know now that my tolerance for selective emphasis on single words to the exclusion of the whole document is exactly 0. But if you think you can make your case...



    Not a citizen. And a real citizen, has decided to empty her womb. Respecting that real citizen, this activity is no one's business but her and her doctor.
    Yes a citizen, just not one that has left the womb yet. The activity of late term abortion is the entire society's business as it directly impacts a baby citizen with pain, suffering, and deprivation of the most basic of rights.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Posted this in another thread, but I thought it'd be more appropriate here:

    Aside from the obvious differences between what an unborn fetus should have...

    Is there or is there NOT a pretty significant difference between the rape and murder of an 8 month old and legal optional choice of a woman to abort her fetus.

    I mean, besides the fact that, oh I don't know- one was definitely alive and the other could still have been stillborn. Besides the fact that one was legal and the other was illegal. Besides the fact that one had rape involved and the other didn't. Besides the fact that Rapist/Murderer A chose to end the life of a toddler and Doctor B did what he was legally obligated to do and what Paying Customer C paid him to do (this is a capitalistic society right?).

    I don't understand why Doctor B should be justifiably murdered even though he wouldn't be "murdering fetuses" without the consent of Paying Customer C. I don't really think he enjoys "murdering fetuses" but we all do work our jobs to get money right? Why should Tiller be the target of violence when he's doing what is legally his right to do? Why shouldn't these insane psychopath confused Pro-life (irony?) murderers go after the women who choose to have the abortions? Why don't they use the same scare tactics on them?

    Can we agree that, if ANYBODY (which I don't agree with, as I'm pro-choice) is to be morally blameworthy for these actions, shouldn't it be the women who make the decisions to go see the big bad abortion doctors? Also, if the Tiller killer instead killed the women who went to go see Tiller, would he be getting as much support from some pro-lifers as he is now?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    if the next poster had not exposed your unforced error would you have changed your post.

    If it is doesnt that go to your credibility
    I don't think so as the error doesn't change the story much in my opinion. I'm not about lying about stuff that is easily proven one way or another by most anyone on the web who knows how to google. I don't have the entire Tiller case with all names involved all up in my head 24/7. If I make a mistake call me on it and I'll say, "Yeah, you're right. " It's not like my having the wrong name of who exactly got fired changes the point that a guy was fired to bring in a friendlier more pro-Tiller state prosecutor.

    So think what you want about my credibility. It's certainly more interesting than the "See no evil, hear no evil, " approach most take on the Tiller fiasco.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Posted this in another thread, but I thought it'd be more appropriate here:

    Aside from the obvious differences between what an unborn fetus should have...

    Is there or is there NOT a pretty significant difference between the rape and murder of an 8 month old and legal optional choice of a woman to abort her fetus.

    I mean, besides the fact that, oh I don't know- one was definitely alive and the other could still have been stillborn. Besides the fact that one was legal and the other was illegal. Besides the fact that one had rape involved and the other didn't. Besides the fact that Rapist/Murderer A chose to end the life of a toddler and Doctor B did what he was legally obligated to do and what Paying Customer C paid him to do (this is a capitalistic society right?).

    I don't understand why Doctor B should be justifiably murdered even though he wouldn't be "murdering fetuses" without the consent of Paying Customer C. I don't really think he enjoys "murdering fetuses" but we all do work our jobs to get money right? Why should Tiller be the target of violence when he's doing what is legally his right to do? Why shouldn't these insane psychopath confused Pro-life (irony?) murderers go after the women who choose to have the abortions? Why don't they use the same scare tactics on them?

    Can we agree that, if ANYBODY (which I don't agree with, as I'm pro-choice) is to be morally blameworthy for these actions, shouldn't it be the women who make the decisions to go see the big bad abortion doctors? Also, if the Tiller killer instead killed the women who went to go see Tiller, would he be getting as much support from some pro-lifers as he is now?
    How is not giving a hoot that Tiller was gunned down support for his killer?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    From your link:

    Kline charged Tiller with 30 misdemeanors for allegedly performing 15 illegal late-term abortions in 2003

    So where did you get the 40 number?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    From your link:

    Kline charged Tiller with 30 misdemeanors for allegedly performing 15 illegal late-term abortions in 2003

    So where did you get the 40 number?
    Again I'm speaking from memory. You asked for an exact link I went and found one for you, a non biased one.

    So the gist of my point was the original prosecutor had more charges against Tiller. The new guy brought in dropped them all and went with 19 charges all having to do with 2nd opinions.

    The original point stands. The question of whether these women met state kansas law and had an irreversible health threat NEVER had to be answered in court do to the original prosecutors charges being dropped upon his firing. The new guy brought substantially less charges all surrounding 2nd opinions which is why tiller was acquitted.

    The jury never had to decide if Tiller was killing viable healthy babies in women who had no irreversible health threat.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Again I'm speaking from memory. You asked for an exact link I went and found one for you, a non biased one.
    Your memory seems to add things on to a subject you obviously are very passionate about. It puts your credibility on the line IMHO about this subject.

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