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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    You're being obtuse intentionally.
    No, she's not. But you're sure busy with the undocumented and unproven wild accusations, aren't you?

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    If he didn't operate outside the law then there would be no need to dance around the legislation. He'd happily list for each patient what the irreversible health threat was. Why would such a request be viewed as so problematic that he had to pay off a governor to obtain a veto?
    Proof? Anything? Anything at all?

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    However since the governor made it so Tiller didn't have to list any accountable reason he could never be tried on any charges regarding whether or not an abortion met the required current law.
    By your own words, you admit you do not have any verifiable documentation regarding the exact reason this or that woman went through with a late-term abortion. Yet you've filled this thread and others with outrageous accusations based on absolutely NO proof, all the while insisting your biases are fact.

    DROP IT, for ****'s sake, unless or until you can come up with anything resembling fact. Your little dance of unfounded rage has grown incredibly tiresome.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post

    While Missy may be happy to know I can't give her statistics she ought to be asking why she's not disturbed that she can't either. That there are none.
    I'm not disturbed because I find it difficult to believe that Tiller, and the women who sought him out for late term abortions, were just out to kill viable babies.

    I don't buy it and I question the reasoning skills of those that do.




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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Dr. Tiller does not need to give reasons. So there are no reasons ever brought before the courts.

    The one dr. who was brought in by the state to review Tillers charts has gone on record multiple times stating that Tiller does not meet the criteria of current Kansas legislation requiring an irreversible health threat. The prosecutor who hired this dr. was fired.

    Currently no dr. in Kansas needs ever to list any reason for a late term abortion if he doesn't want to. Thus the 22 week cut off law is rendered essentially moot.

    While Missy may be happy to know I can't give her statistics she ought to be asking why she's not disturbed that she can't either. That there are none.
    I'm not asking Dr. Tiller to prove anything (not that he can now). I'm asking YOU to back up your allegations and give a straightforward answer to Missy's question.

    If you have no stats to show the reasons for the late term abortions Tiller performed, then you have no business making the allegations you're making.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    No, she's not. But you're sure busy with the undocumented and unproven wild accusations, aren't you?



    Proof? Anything? Anything at all?



    By your own words, you admit you do not have any verifiable documentation regarding the exact reason this or that woman went through with a late-term abortion. Yet you've filled this thread and others with outrageous accusations based on absolutely NO proof, all the while insisting your biases are fact.

    DROP IT, for ****'s sake, unless or until you can come up with anything resembling fact. Your little dance of unfounded rage has grown incredibly tiresome.
    What would you like to deny about what I've said?

    The governor took monies from Tiller, later lied about them, got caught lying, and had to admit, "oops..." Want to deny that?

    The Kansas state senate aimed to clarify the law by requesting that drs. list the actual irreversible health threat in their reports. Governor vetoed that. Are you denying that?

    She stated "privacy" as her main concern when names of patients was in no way to be part of the reporting. Are you denying that?

    The one dr. who dared to review Tiller's records before the state prosecutor got fired claims on record that Tiller does abortions and the charts show no real psychiatric condition or any other diagnosis that would meet the current Kansas law. Do you want to deny that?

    What exactly that I've said are you denying? I've given news reports showing the governor lied, showing the governor vetoed legislation, etc. I've given you a state hired Dr. on record talking about Tiller's charts and their lack of an irreversible health threat to the mother.

    Where exactly have I been proven wrong in anything I've said?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    I'm not disturbed because I find it difficult to believe that Tiller, and the women who sought him out for late term abortions, were just out to kill viable babies.

    I don't buy it and I question the reasoning skills of those that do.


    Well forgive me for not having the same faith in women and drs. There are corrupt drs. Likewise there are women who birth babies and then aim to shove them down the toilet at McDonalds, toss them in dumpsters, stick 'em in a car trunk, or bury them in their backyard.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    No, she's not. But you're sure busy with the undocumented and unproven wild accusations, aren't you?



    Proof? Anything? Anything at all?



    By your own words, you admit you do not have any verifiable documentation regarding the exact reason this or that woman went through with a late-term abortion. Yet you've filled this thread and others with outrageous accusations based on absolutely NO proof, all the while insisting your biases are fact.

    DROP IT, for ****'s sake, unless or until you can come up with anything resembling fact. Your little dance of unfounded rage has grown incredibly tiresome.
    There's no need for your tone. I have given you a dr. who was hired by the state to review Tiller's records. He has declared repeatedly on record that Tiller was not following current Kansas law and that he saw charts where there was no satisfactory proof that the late term abortion met the irreversible health threat criteria. If your claim is that he's a liar then fine. Where's the dr. who reviewed the charts and found them to be in order??????

    I'll help you. There is none. Because the governor made it so that the question of whether any single late term abortion meets the criteria is one that may never be asked.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Where exactly have I been proven wrong in anything I've said?

    Tall, I don't know how I can be any clearer. The accusations around Tiller are that he was killing perfectly healthy, sound, viable babies at some outrageous rate a year......

    Where is your proof that these babies were healthy, sound and viable or that the mother's life wasn't endangered. Don't you think it's a little bit odd that Tiller and all of these women, who had late term abortions, were just out to kill these healthy and viable babies?

    Does that really sound reasonable to you?



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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well forgive me for not having the same faith in women and drs. There are corrupt drs. Likewise there are women who birth babies and then aim to shove them down the toilet at McDonalds, toss them in dumpsters, stick 'em in a car trunk, or bury them in their backyard.
    I don't see what any of that has to do with the lack of credible evidence for the allegations that Dr. Tiller performed late term abortions on women for reasons other than medical necessity.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    There's no need for your tone. I have given you a dr. who was hired by the state to review Tiller's records. He has declared repeatedly on record that Tiller was not following current Kansas law and that he saw charts where there was no satisfactory proof that the late term abortion met the irreversible health threat criteria. If your claim is that he's a liar then fine. Where's the dr. who reviewed the charts and found them to be in order??????

    I'll help you. There is none. Because the governor made it so that the question of whether any single late term abortion meets the criteria is one that may never be asked.
    Wasn't Tiller acquitted by a jury in a criminal trial? Are you suggesting jury tampering?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well forgive me for not having the same faith in women and drs. There are corrupt drs. Likewise there are women who birth babies and then aim to shove them down the toilet at McDonalds, toss them in dumpsters, stick 'em in a car trunk, or bury them in their backyard.
    Yes there are, unfortunately. That doesn't make your case though.

    You can't point to the few to base your claim that Tiller was only performing late term abortions AND that women sought him out for late term abortions for the thrill of it all


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