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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Then point to the specific clause.
    Already quoted, in fact, I even made the most important word bigger for you.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Golly, its becoming more than a question of location, isn't it.
    At that point, no it is not more than a question of location, your smartass quip aside, by golly, donchaknow?

    If there is a complete intact CNS and the capacity for feeling pain and suffering, then there is now a person and a moral AND ethical consequence of murdering the baby needlessly. It makes no difference whether in or out of the womb.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Already quoted, in fact, I even made the most important word bigger for you.
    Excellent. Glad to see you edited that in after the fact.

    The quote you posted grants you no right to kill a baby. I concede that taken on its own, which is ridiculous at best, one must be born or naturalized to the US to have rights. We know that this is a grossly simplistic zeroing in on a single word to the exclusion of the whole document because we grant rights to those who are not even US citizens. This is an equal protection clause and not a dispensation of the right to murder people.

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    Arrow Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    At that point, no it is not more than a question of location, your smartass quip aside, by golly, donchaknow?
    Ventilators and umbilical connections and many other issues are more than mere location, so your assertion is false.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If there is a complete intact CNS and the capacity for feeling pain and suffering, then there is now a person
    Says you. I say its not. Looks like we have a tie, so you mind your bloodline, and I will mind mine.

    That's the real deal here. Whats it to you if my wife and I decide now is not the time ? Or this one is found defective ? Its just not your business, you do not have a dog in the race.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Excellent. Glad to see you edited that in after the fact.
    The word "born" was size four when I first posted the passage.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Simple falshood, a fetus does not breathe air.
    Ah, but it likely would if born at this time:

    Week Twenty Four: Practices breathing

    You are 24 weeks pregnant. (fetal age 22 weeks)


    * The child is now gaining around 3 ounces (90 grams) a week.
    * Baby weighs about 1.3 pounds and is 12 inches long.
    * Baby weighs about 600 grams and is 30cm (crown to heel) long.
    * The eyelids can be seen very clearly.
    * If born at this stage is officially considered viable, they may well be able to survive.

    Your baby is producing surfactant. This is stuff that keeps the small air sacs in our lungs from collapsing. The unborn baby is covered with a fine, downy hair and the skin is protected by a waxy substance. Some of this substance may still be on the child's skin at birth at which time it will be quickly absorbed. The baby practices breathing by inhaling amniotic fluid into developing lungs.

    24 weeksBaby gains about 3 ounces this week. The weight is in muscle, bone mass and organs. The body begins to fill out with his appearance increasingly becoming more like a newborn. Taste buds begin to form. If mom drinks something strange or bitter, baby may be observed showing his or her distaste.

    Little creases have appeared on his palms. The muscular coordination of the hands has improved as they sucks their thumb. Over the next week or so, the sweat glands will be forming in the skin. The lungs are developing branches of the respiratory tree and cells that produce surfactant, a substance that helps the air sacs inflate easily.


    After this week your baby is officially considered viable. 36% of babies can survive premature birth at 24 weeks - However, serious complications are still possible.

    Baby now weighs about 1.3 pound (600gm) and is around 12 inches (30cm) long.

    Week 24 - Month 6 Fetal development information How your baby Practices breathing inside you over weeks months trimesters


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    Arrow Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The quote you posted grants you no right to kill a baby.
    Aint a baby.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I concede that taken on its own, which is ridiculous at best, one must be born or naturalized to the US to have rights.
    Good thing, because it is not within your personal power to amend the Constitution and I wouldn't want you to feel needlessly frustrated

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Ventilators and umbilical connections and many other issues are more than mere location, so your assertion is false.



    Says you. I say its not. Looks like we have a tie, so you mind your bloodline, and I will mind mine.

    That's the real deal here. Whats it to you if my wife and I decide now is not the time ? Or this one is found defective ? Its just not your business, you do not have a dog in the race.
    Every citizen has a dog in the race that decides who is and is not devalued as a person. Every citizen has a dog in the race that decides whether we protect life or destroy it senselessly and every citizen has a dog in the race that decides whether we inflict suffering on another person.

    You can say it's not all you want, but we do not have a tie. In fact, the courts, for the most part, have outlawed the barbaric practice of partial birth or late term abortion in all but the medically necessary cases.

    I will mind the well being of the most defenseless of human beings with a passion that will not be tempered by your deplorable defense of baby murder. And baby murder is exactly what that is past 22 weeks.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Aint a baby.



    Good thing, because it is not within your personal power to amend the Constitution and I wouldn't want you to feel needlessly frustrated
    I don't feel needlessly frustrated. The courts pretty much side with me on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    Ah, but it likely would if born at this time
    So, it ain't born yet, so the rest is hogwash.

    Your "if" allows me to ignore everything that follows, since it relates to some other situation.

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