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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yeah, you take that attitude right on into an ethical abortion clinic
    Whose ethics ? Yours ? Captain America because his views are so accurate ?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'd like to see the Section, Clause, or amendment that states that...
    Reread the post and look for the word born then.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Reread the post and look for the word born then.
    Yeah, I got that. Now show me the article, clause, or amendment that gives you the right to kill a viable fetus (basically a baby by that point) any time you like. Can you do that?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Whose ethics ? Yours ? Captain America because his views are so accurate ?
    Ethics are generally a social compass. Morals are personal ones. When it comes to defending life, ethics are the enforcement, not morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yeah, I got that. Now show me the article, clause, or amendment that gives you the right to kill a viable fetus (basically a baby by that point) any time you like. Can you do that?
    I do not agree with you about the part in parentheses.

    And I do not have to, and it is not a provable question.

    Some religions contend that "ensoulment" doesn't happen till 40 days after birth.

    The Constitution says it is a citizen once it is born. Thus that is when it starts having "rights" under the supreme Law of the Land.

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    Arrow Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Ethics are generally a social compass. Morals are personal ones. When it comes to defending life, ethics are the enforcement, not morals.
    Well, it seems Tillers clinic has its own ethics, so it is an ethical clinic, and my reason would work there.

    Or is it that ethics that don't match your ethics don't count ? Is this akin to Captain America's amazingly accurate views ?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    I do not agree with you about the part in parentheses.

    And I do not have to, and it is not a provable question.

    Some religions contend that "ensoulment" doesn't happen till 40 days after birth.

    The Constitution says it is a citizen once it is born. Thus that is when it starts having "rights" under the supreme Law of the Land.
    By 22 weeks, the born/not born disposition of the child is nothing more than a question of location, i.e. in or out of the womb.

    The Constitution never specifically states anything about the difference between born or unborn. It's one of the pivotal reasons Roe is a faulty ruling.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    By 22 weeks, the born/not born disposition of the child is nothing more than a question of location, i.e. in or out of the womb.
    Simple falshood, a fetus does not breathe air.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The Constitution never specifically states anything about the difference between born or unborn. It's one of the pivotal reasons Roe is a faulty ruling.
    The hell it doesn't. It specifies that those born are citizens.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Simple falshood, a fetus does not breathe air.
    Excuse me? A fetus doesn't breathe air if expelled from the uterus prematurely but past 22 weeks? lolwut?

    And when did "breathing" air become the benchmark that determines any right to life? Ever heard of ventilators? You aren't suggesting that when someone finds themselves in need of one, they suddenly aren't persons anymore, are you? Because that would just be dumb.

    The hell it doesn't. It specifies that those born are citizens.
    Then point to the specific clause.
    Last edited by jallman; 06-08-09 at 04:48 AM.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Excuse me? A fetus doesn't breathe air if expelled from the uterus prematurely but past 22 weeks? lolwut?

    And when did "breathing" air become the benchmark that determines any right to life? Ever heard of ventilators?
    Golly, its becoming more than a question of location, isn't it.

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