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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    May all the abortionist rot in hell and hopefully satan shoves a pitch fork up their asses.
    I'll give ya thanks on this one, however, I would also include the terrorists that kill them or blow their clinics to smithereens. May the devil stick a pitch fork up their crappers too. Neither are better than the other IMO.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I do not argue that some women never connect with their unborn, ditto some fathers; I think it is very sad that it is so. Do you not think that a majority would feel differently when they actually saw their living baby after giving birth?
    For some, it's entirely possible. A majority? No. And what happens when those who didn't want or plan for a baby are denied the choice to abort, and once the child is born still don't connect? What then?

    If we made adoption cheap and easy, do you think that might help these problems? I do.
    Possibly. However, we already have a completely unmanageable number of children in foster care, hoping for adoption and being left wanting. I cannot see how adding millions more unwanted children to the adoption roles every year could possibly be eclipsed by easier adoption laws.

    Those are some ugly choices, yes. Killing unborn babies is an ugly thing also. I don't think there is a "perfect answer" that will fix everything, but I don't think abortion is the answer either, any more than I think infanticide is.
    I agree. That's why I'm pro choice. There must be options for those who do not share these sensibilities.

    If I were given the authority to define abortion legality in the USA, I would not ban it utterly, but would restrict it severely. You'd have to go to a family court and convince a judge or jury that there was good and compelling reason to end the life of an unborn baby. This would give an unborn baby the right to not be deprived of "life, liberty or property without due process of law." The criteria would be strict. Abortions would be few. It would leave open the possibility of abortions where the mother's health was truly endangered, or other compelling circumstances applied, but abortion-as-birth-control would not be permitted. I would also choose, if I had the authority, to make adoption much easier and cheaper and more appealing to all concerned.

    Not a perfect solution, but that's my preferred outcome to a situation with no perfect answers.
    I suggest that, should your plan be put into effect, back-alley abortions would kill far more fetuses AND mothers than you'd be comfortable with.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mercer View Post
    Abortion isn't murder. It's legal.
    That's a damn dangerous argument to make.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    That's a damn dangerous argument to make.
    Why???.......

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm a single parent. Abortion was potentially an option when I found out she was pregnant; I chose life. I've spent the past 13 years parenting a child with dyslexia, 11 of them by myself. I think maybe I have some standing to speak.

    I've love to adopt a child or two. In America, the legal costs are all but prohibitive unless you're quite well-heeled.

    My life is quite busy with lots of important things, thank you. Keep your snide superiority to yourself please.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Why???.......
    If mere legality is the threshold for determining ethical conduct, the rule of law quickly degenerates into mobocracy.

    Regardless of what the law is today, it is incumbent upon everyone to bring their perception of moral conduct to any discussion touching on what the law should be tomorrow.

    If abortion be not murder, the reason for rejecting that description should rely on a moral force beyond the law. If abortion be murder, the reason for attaching that description should rely on a moral force beyond the law. Reducing what is in essence a moral debate to perfunctory statements on the condition of the law today deprives the debate of its essential moral aspect.

    Whether abortion is or is not murder hinges in part on whether it is or is not wrong, legality be damned.
    Last edited by celticlord; 06-06-09 at 05:07 PM.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If mere legality is the threshold for determining ethical conduct, the rule of law quickly degenerates into mobocracy.

    Regardless of what the law is today, it is incumbent upon everyone to bring their perception of moral conduct to any discussion touching on what the law should be tomorrow.

    If abortion be not murder, the reason for rejecting that description should rely on a moral force beyond the law. If abortion be murder, the reason for attaching that description should rely on a moral force beyond the law. Reducing what is in essence a moral debate to perfunctory statements on the condition of the law today deprives the debate of its essential moral aspect.

    Whether abortion is or is not murder hinges in part on whether it is or is not wrong, legality be damned.
    I asked "why" it is a "dangerous" statement, I see no danger in your ramblings

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So, never admitted it, never convicted. Sounds to me like he was not provably a murderer, and you are just making an unfounded accusation. It's never good to let your emotions overrule your sense.
    So are we coming now full circle to what was discussed at the front of this thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What did he do wrong?
    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    He got caught.
    Roeder is a criminal because he got caught. Tiller is not a criminal because he did not get caught.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    I asked "why" it is a "dangerous" statement, I see no danger in your ramblings
    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If mere legality is the threshold for determining ethical conduct, the rule of law quickly degenerates into mobocracy.
    That is the danger.

    I prefer my anarchy a wee bit more orderly than that.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    That is the danger.

    I prefer my anarchy a wee bit more orderly than that.
    wee might be a bit Dooooooomed then

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