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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Did any of the anti-slavery people in the 1800's condemn the underground rail road members and runaway slaves and suggest that they should suffer the full penalty of the law and bitch how its not right to take the law into your own hands? Did any of the black rights groups in the 1900's condemn those who refused to sit on the back of the bus and suggest that they should suffer the full penalty of the law.
    Careful James. When you go start to comparing something to the black experience, like the pro-gay marriage people occassionally do, the hard-righter's will come at you with claws out. But you might get a pass. I dunno.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you are pro-life or anti-abortion on the grounds that "fetuses" are human beings or babies then these abortionist should be seen as nothing more than legal sadistic genocidal mass murdering serial killers then men like Scott Roeder should be seen as heroes by those claiming to be anti-abortion/pro-life. I applaud Roeder for his efforts.Not everyone is willing to face life in prison or the death penalty for something the believe in.
    May Roeder burn in hell with all his supporters.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Glinda, I used to be wishy-washy on the subject of abortion. Then I saw my son, in the womb, on an ultrasound. That changed me forever. I cannot emphasize enough the impact this had on me. I could never view the unborn as merely unwanted tissue ever again. He had a face, hands, feet, a beating heart... and I speak from my heart, that it grieves me greatly that we kill over a million such babies every year.
    I fully understand your feelings here (and I share them, believe it or not), but the sad truth is many, MANY women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy do not feel the way you do. They do not "connect" (for want of a better word) with the fetus they are carrying, and will not "connect" with the child they would have to carry to term, should the option for abortion be outlawed.

    Of course, the real answer is to get people to be more responsible to prevent unwanted pregnancies before they happen, but this is simply wishful thinking. There will always be unwanted pregnancies, and as a result, unwanted children.

    Given this (and it IS a given), we can either outlaw abortion and dump ever more unwanted children into the horrific foster-care program, or we can reduce the number of unwanted children dumped into the horrific foster-care program by giving women the option to abort an unwanted pregnancy. The reality is, an unwanted, abandoned child destined to a miserable "upbringing" as a foster child is a tragedy, a travesty, and completely avoidable.

    Glinda, hypocracy lies in professing something one doesn't believe, or advocating something that one does not practice. I think I've already explained that I faced this choice, and what I did: I walked my talk. You can disagree with me, but I think calling me a hypocrit is incorrect.
    Have you/would you vote to outlaw abortions?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    May Roeder burn in hell with all his supporters.
    I agree 100%. May he burn in eternity right alongside of that abortion doctor he dispatched to an early grave. Good riddence to bad rubbish.

    Throw on the coals!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    There will always be unwanted pregnancies, and as a result, unwanted children.

    Given this (and it IS a given), we can either outlaw abortion
    Or you could just choose not to do it , and leave other people's right to decide for themselves alone.

    I read the rest of your post, and I am sorry you misunderstood your parental drive as a categorical imperitive. That specialness you felt toward your son, is his alone, and you sully it if you try to illogically extend it to any and every possible human. Take care of your own, and leave other people to make thier own decisions. Respect your own religious liberty, enough to grant the same to your fellow citizen.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I agree 100%. May he burn in eternity right alongside of that abortion doctor he dispatched to an early grave. Good riddence to bad rubbish.

    Throw on the coals!!
    This makes me sad. I thought better of you, Cap.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    This makes me sad. I thought better of you, Cap.
    Don't worry. Be happy.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    May Roeder burn in hell with all his supporters.
    May all the abortionist rot in hell and hopefully satan shoves a pitch fork up their asses.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I fully understand your feelings here (and I share them, believe it or not), but the sad truth is many, MANY women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy do not feel the way you do. They do not "connect" (for want of a better word) with the fetus they are carrying, and will not "connect" with the child they would have to carry to term, should the option for abortion be outlawed.
    I do not argue that some women never connect with their unborn, ditto some fathers; I think it is very sad that it is so. Do you not think that a majority would feel differently when they actually saw their living baby after giving birth?

    If we made adoption cheap and easy, do you think that might help these problems? I do.


    Of course, the real answer is to get people to be more responsible to prevent unwanted pregnancies before they happen, ...
    This I agree with.

    but this is simply wishful thinking. There will always be unwanted pregnancies, and as a result, unwanted children.

    Given this (and it IS a given), we can either outlaw abortion and dump ever more unwanted children into the horrific foster-care program, or we can reduce the number of unwanted children dumped into the horrific foster-care program by giving women the option to abort an unwanted pregnancy. The reality is, an unwanted, abandoned child destined to a miserable "upbringing" as a foster child is a tragedy, a travesty, and completely avoidable.
    Those are some ugly choices, yes. Killing unborn babies is an ugly thing also. I don't think there is a "perfect answer" that will fix everything, but I don't think abortion is the answer either, any more than I think infanticide is.


    Have you/would you vote to outlaw abortions?
    I presume you are prepared to call me a hypocrit again if I say yes. Despite the fact that hypocracy, in this scenario, would be telling others to do something I haven't...and as I explained, I've walked my talk.

    If I were given the authority to define abortion legality in the USA, I would not ban it utterly, but would restrict it severely. You'd have to go to a family court and convince a judge or jury that there was good and compelling reason to end the life of an unborn baby. This would give an unborn baby the right to not be deprived of "life, liberty or property without due process of law." The criteria would be strict. Abortions would be few. It would leave open the possibility of abortions where the mother's health was truly endangered, or other compelling circumstances applied, but abortion-as-birth-control would not be permitted. I would also choose, if I had the authority, to make adoption much easier and cheaper and more appealing to all concerned.

    Not a perfect solution, but that's my preferred outcome to a situation with no perfect answers.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Or you could just choose not to do it , and leave other people's right to decide for themselves alone.

    I read the rest of your post, and I am sorry you misunderstood your parental drive as a categorical imperitive. That specialness you felt toward your son, is his alone, and you sully it if you try to illogically extend it to any and every possible human. Take care of your own, and leave other people to make thier own decisions. Respect your own religious liberty, enough to grant the same to your fellow citizen.

    I'm a bit confused, were you replying to Glinda or to me?

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