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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm a single parent. Abortion was potentially an option when I found out she was pregnant; I chose life. I've spent the past 13 years parenting a child with dyslexia, 11 of them by myself. I think maybe I have some standing to speak.

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    Just want to say that I find that admirable Goshin. Good job in taking care of your responsibility.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mercer View Post
    Abortion isn't murder. It's legal.
    There was a time when slavery was legal also.

    I think there will come a day when we look back on the abortion era with the same moral disgust as we now look back on slavery.


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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Can you please cite which Kansas law(s) Tiller was violating?

    As far as I know, his abortion procedure was not outlawed.
    Would you please cite where I said he stepped outside the letter of the law?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    To me it isn't much different than when a Blood offs a Crip and goes to jail...two scumbags off the streets.

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    A perfect analogy.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    To quote a Clint Eastwood movie, "The Unforgiven"...

    Kid: "Well, I guess they had it comin'."
    Clint: "Kid, we've all got it comin'."
    __________

    Sheriff: "I don't deserve this."
    Clint, about to shoot him: "Deserve's got nothing to do with it."


    Tell ya what... if I'd been there in that church, packing a gun as usual; and I knew who Tiller was, and I saw that man pull a gun and aim at his back.... I probably would have stopped it if possible.
    (Oh, wait, most states prohibit carry in churches, so I'd be disarmed and unlikely to be able to respond effectively in time. )

    Why? Because it was murder, and I don't condone murder: whether the perps unlawful murder of Tiller, or Tiller's under-color-of-law murder of viable babies. Everybody's got it coming, but some deserve it more than others.

    IMHO, both these men are deserving of what they got, or are likely to get.

    If I had my preference? If I had a magic wand I could wave and change what happened according to my wish? I'd wish the perp didn't murder Tiller, but that Tiller had a change of heart, quit doing what he was doing, and became a pro-life advocate.

    We rarely get what we wish, don't we.


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    Wouldn't it have been great if his assassination were stopped by a pro-gun, anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion redneck

    (I'm not sayin you are one, I'm just sayin)

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A perfect analogy.
    For years anti-abortionists tried to stop Doctor Tiller. Finally a bullet did | World news | The Guardian

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    Sarah Coe was one of the 250 to 300 women with late-stage pregnancies who seek help every year at Tiller's fortress-clinic. Coe, who talked to the Guardian using a pseudonym, had an abortion in Wichita two years ago this week. The confluence of the anniversary of her baby's and Tiller's death was, she said, very hard to bear.

    At 22 weeks of gestation it was *discovered through ultrasound and other tests that the foetus of her first child had hydrocephalus an excess of fluid on the brain. Its head was enlarged, and Coe and her husband were told that it would be born without brain function and would have no conscious life.

    "We made a difficult decision that that wasn't the life we wanted for our child," she said. No doctor on the entire east coast of the US would accept her as the baby was beyond the 20 weeks needed for a foetus generally to become viable outside the womb. They were referred to Wichita and to Tiller.

    She says the care they received at the clinic was exceptional. There was *counselling and support. "We were able to see our little boy after he was *delivered, no longer alive, and to touch him and say goodbye. They handled the cremation for us and we have his ashes in our home. It was the worst *experience in our lives and they made it so much easier to bear."
    I'm sure this quote's showed up in other threads on this, maybe even this thread, but I just felt it necessary to remind people that Tiller may have saved lives (many cases of hydrocephalus lead to severe injury for the mother, not to mention the general risk of 13-year-olds having kids in those "underage" cases people talk about) and certainly prevented tragedies along with whatever else he did.
    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat
    Heh. Do you realize how many children I'd murder to be immortal and have an army of willing slaves?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    For years anti-abortionists tried to stop Doctor Tiller. Finally a bullet did | World news | The Guardian

    I'm sure this quote's showed up in other threads on this, maybe even this thread, but I just felt it necessary to remind people that Tiller may have saved lives (many cases of hydrocephalus lead to severe injury for the mother, not to mention the general risk of 13-year-olds having kids in those "underage" cases people talk about) and certainly prevented tragedies along with whatever else he did.
    You're saying this is the typical case he was taken to court over?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I've love to adopt a child or two. In America, the legal costs are all but prohibitive unless you're quite well-heeled.
    So, lack of money is why you don't adopt, is that it?

    And how about the woman who was too poor to afford an abortion AND too poor to raise her child properly, so she decided to put it up for adoption? Why does YOUR lack of money trump HERS?

    Hypocrite.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    So, lack of money is why you don't adopt, is that it?

    And how about the woman who was too poor to afford an abortion AND too poor to raise her child properly, so she decided to put it up for adoption? Why does YOUR lack of money trump HERS?

    Hypocrite.
    Nice debating tactic: I'm a hypocrite. How original... problem is you don't know me.

    When my son was born we were poor as dirt. When my wife went off to pursue her own agenda, we were poor as dirt and, thanks largely to her, in debt.

    She left me to raise a small child alone. I was a cop at the time, with prospects for promotion, and had to give that up so I could have a more "regular life" and be a better single father. I left a career and did what I had to do to support us. You have no idea the sacrifices I've made to take care of my son.

    Care to call me a hypocrit again? I'm not talking out my *** Glinda, I've got the BTDT tee-shirt.
    The problem lies with people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions, and do what is necessary to fulfill their responsibilities. I had no intention of having children anytime soon when I found out my wife was pregnant; I could probably have talked her into an abortion. I chose to deal with it and accept that my actions had resulted in a new and innocent life that I was responsible for.

    I didn't ask to be saddled with a 2 year old by myself when she left, but I dealt with it and did the best I knew how. I gave up a lot for the sake of raising my son. I've gone without so that he could have what he needed.


    There have been hard times, but I have not regretted it.


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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    In addition to not being able to come up with $40,000 in legal fees and other costs, there is another reason I haven't tried to adopt:

    Agencies have varying policies in dealing with single applicants. Some don't accept them at all. Others may put your application and request for a home study (a family assessment) on the back burner while waiting to find a couple who wants to adopt. The children offered to you may have disabilities that you cannot handle or be 12-years-old when you requested a toddler. If you pursue independent adoption (a path to adoption with no agency involvement) birth mothers may balk when they learn you are single.

    Single men face even tougher scrutiny as they are asked intimate questions about their sexuality, motives, friends, and living arrangements. They may be qualified to parent and still be turned down.
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