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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Um, no it does not.
    Salem Witch trials demonstrated quite well of what happend when we demonize for whatever reasons.
    As is subjugating minors to 2nd class citizens or even sub human - slavery.
    So yes, demonization and vilification of individuals advocates mistreatment and in this case, violence against.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    I have heard people from the so-called pro-life movement call the murder a hero and others have said that it was "justified ". Do these so-called "pro-lifers" think that they are getting converts to their cause by glorifying muder ?
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I have heard people from the so-called pro-life movement call the murder a hero and others have said that it was "justified ". Do these so-called "pro-lifers" think that they are getting converts to their cause by glorifying muder ?
    For that lot of bat**** insane morons it's always been the hypocritical double standard of their way or to hell with you.
    Then there is also the supporters that while they don't directly support the violent aspect of, encourage the behavior through the dehumanization of individuals who perform the act and those women who make the choice to receive the proceedure.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I have heard people from the so-called pro-life movement call the murder a hero and others have said that it was "justified ". Do these so-called "pro-lifers" think that they are getting converts to their cause by glorifying muder ?
    1: Who, exactly, is saying this? Names and links please.

    2: Who said Pro-Life is out to convert anyone over this? Maybe this isn't an appropriate time to seek converts, but simply to speak the position.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Wow, I've been missing out...

    I've been a Christian for over two decades and nobody ever told me we had all this gold we could line the ceilings and walls with it.
    ...
    The post Goshin ridiculed was probably making an obscure (read: poorly worded) reference to the early days of the Catholic church, however even then the Church was not that indiscriminate with righteous reprisal. If one was a believer, one willingly paid for tithes and indulgences and was embraced lovingly (or at least indifferently) by the Church. If a person was a nonbeliever, they might be labelled a heretic and then they could murdered and their property seized. Wasn't that in part the rationale of the Crusades?

    Of course, he could have also been speaking more broadly, since the similar violent lust for money and/or power is evident in any historic "holy" war. Religion is often the guise of politics, and sometimes very poor one. Henry VIII looted monasteries and probably used the immense wealth gathered violently from that "reformation" of the Church to fund later military exploits, like the second conquest of Ireland. Many heads have worn the veil of theology, but beneath its curtain, many eyes have also gleamed with greed.

    And many churches today still seem to retain their interest in power and money, even if their power mongering today is nonviolent, by means of politicking alone. Modern televangelists are a cliche for this new, domesticated version of the same historical lust, as they are always praying upon their audiences for money. (pun intended).

    I suspect his concern, however inarticulate, was to emphasize, that despite the firm grip rationality has over many developed societies today, we are still the same breed of people that once willingly sanctified brutal violence with the righteous conviction. And for many others, righteous intolerance is simply the mask they wear for other purposes. And it could happen again, at any time, anywhere.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    He murdered somebody who was doing his job under the law..
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    So was Reinhard Heydrich. I'm not making any assumptions about this man or saying he should have been killed but the law is not necessarily the grantor of moral rectitude and virtue.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by metreon View Post
    The post Goshin ridiculed was probably making an obscure (read: poorly worded) reference to the early days of the Catholic church, however even then the Church was not that indiscriminate with righteous reprisal. If one was a believer, one willingly paid for tithes and indulgences and was embraced lovingly (or at least indifferently) by the Church. If a person was a nonbeliever, they might be labelled a heretic and then they could murdered and their property seized. Wasn't that in part the rationale of the Crusades?

    Of course, he could have also been speaking more broadly, since the similar violent lust for money and/or power is evident in any historic "holy" war. Religion is often the guise of politics, and sometimes very poor one. Henry VIII's looted monasteries and probably used the immense wealth gathered violently from that "reformation" of the Church to fund later military exploits, like the second conquest of Ireland. Many heads have worn the veil of theology, but beneath its curtain, many eyes have also gleamed with greed.

    And many churches today still seem to retain their interest in power and money, even if their power mongering today is nonviolent, by means of politicking alone. Modern televangelists are a cliche for this new, domesticated version of the same historical lust, as they are always praying upon their audiences for money. (pun intended).

    I suspect his concern, however inarticulate, was to emphasize, that despite the firm grip rationality has over many developed societies today, we are still the same breed of people that once willingly sanctified brutal violence with the righteous conviction. And for many others, righteous intolerance is simply the mask they wear for other purposes. And it could happen again, at any time, anywhere.
    It is worth remembering this religious violence seems to pale in comparison to the "Enlightened" last few centuries.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Silly man! Imagine being treated like a criminal while in a jail! LOL!
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post


    Living proof Pro-Lifers are hypocrits!
    Actually that is not necessarily true. One can support the death penalty and not abortion because they are under very different circumstances. A fetus is unlikely to have murdered. Not that I do support it but that is mainly because I don't trust the state with the power.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    I would argue that the unborn's right to due process under the law was repeatedly violated by someone who found a technicality; much like a cold blooded murderer who get's off because the custody chain for a critical piece of evidence was accidentally broken.

    I have to say, I'm not bothered by Tiller's death any more than I would be if someone offed that hypothetical murderer. Certainly there was a much better way to handle the situation, but I'm not about to come to Tiller's defense.

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