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    Re: Breaking: Sotomayor Made Same “Wise Woman” Speech In 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are you aware that studies have been done and show that people of different backgrounds rule differently? She actually refers to them in her speech. Course you would have to read the whole speech to know that, and not just the soundbite Rush gave you.
    I don't want that influence on the Supreme Court; or let's put it another way... I want rulings to be as little about "experiences" as humanly possible.

    Hers is blatantly obvious, embraces her emotions, flaunts them, and says she is better because of them.

    We don't need that on the Supreme Court. If she wants people to know her emotional state, she can go on The View.

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    Re: Breaking: Sotomayor Made Same “Wise Woman” Speech In 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I don't want that influence on the Supreme Court; or let's put it another way... I want rulings to be as little about "experiences" as humanly possible.

    Hers is blatantly obvious, embraces her emotions, flaunts them, and says she is better because of them.

    We don't need that on the Supreme Court. If she wants people to know her emotional state, she can go on The View.

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    That influence is already there. By the very act of growing up, and attending school, and experiencing life for 40 + years, every single person is shaped, and it does effect their decisions, including those from the bench. Don't want personal experience affecting how judges rule, you better eliminate people from the bench then.

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    Re: Breaking: Sotomayor Made Same “Wise Woman” Speech In 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That influence is already there. By the very act of growing up, and attending school, and experiencing life for 40 + years, every single person is shaped, and it does effect their decisions, including those from the bench. Don't want personal experience affecting how judges rule, you better eliminate people from the bench then.
    The job of a judge is to detach experience from your ruling and just go by the law. If you can't do it, then either abstain from the vote or if it will always affect you then don't be a judge. You know, judges do take themselves off of cases for this reason.

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    Re: Breaking: Sotomayor Made Same “Wise Woman” Speech In 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The job of a judge is to detach experience from your ruling and just go by the law. If you can't do it, then either abstain from the vote or if it will always affect you then don't be a judge. You know, judges do take themselves off of cases for this reason.
    Have you read the thread? The point is that while many say they strive for this, and while many more try, it's doubtful that any succeed. Everyone is necessarily shaped by their own experiences and perspectives.

    I think the news value of this story, as it is, is not so much in the content of the speech, but rather in the fact that it contradicts Obama's claims about the 2001 speech.
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    Re: Breaking: Sotomayor Made Same “Wise Woman” Speech In 1990s

    Of course it will affect you, but you shouldn't just say that it will and that your experiences are better than another person's experiences. Judges should strive to detach themselves completely from their emotions when making a decision. It won't be perfect though, but they should always be reaching for that goal.

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    Re: Breaking: Sotomayor Made Same “Wise Woman” Speech In 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Of course it will affect you, but you shouldn't just say that it will and that your experiences are better than another person's experiences. Judges should strive to detach themselves completely from their emotions when making a decision. It won't be perfect though, but they should always be reaching for that goal.
    So a judge who lies and says that he makes his decisions without personal prejudices is better than a judge who is honest about the fact that these things affect them?

    It seems like the critics on this point are failing to understand that the mere recognition of the way in which personal experience affects thinking is not an indicator that the person in question will actually use personal experience more than someone who refuses to recognize its impact.
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    Re: Breaking: Sotomayor Made Same “Wise Woman” Speech In 1990s

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    So a judge who lies and says that he makes his decisions without personal prejudices is better than a judge who is honest about the fact that these things affect them?
    I didn't say that. I said that judges should strive to separate their emotions from their decision making. They shouldn't say outright that their experiences will help them to make better decisions. It means that the decisions are based on experience and not on law. That's not what we want.

    It seems like the critics on this point are failing to understand that the mere recognition of the way in which personal experience affects thinking is not an indicator that the person in question will actually use personal experience more than someone who refuses to recognize its impact.
    No, but the way she says that her experiences will lead her to better conclusions shows that she will use her emotions and not just the law.

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    Re: Breaking: Sotomayor Made Same “Wise Woman” Speech In 1990s

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I didn't say that. I said that judges should strive to separate their emotions from their decision making. They shouldn't say outright that their experiences will help them to make better decisions. It means that the decisions are based on experience and not on law. That's not what we want.



    No, but the way she says that her experiences will lead her to better conclusions shows that she will use her emotions and not just the law.
    Quick quiz: Which one of the following people is more likely to base their judicial decisions on personal experience rather than the law?

    A. Judge who says that it's possible to totally separate personal experience from the decision making process

    B. Judge who recognizes that it's not possible to totally separate personal experience from the decision making process

    C. Not possible to determine the answer from this set of facts
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    Re: Breaking: Sotomayor Made Same “Wise Woman” Speech In 1990s

    B (you said more likely, not who will definitely do so), but this is not the same situation. She openly said that her experiences were better than others, meaning that she will use them in decision making and has no problem with that.

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    Re: Breaking: Sotomayor Made Same “Wise Woman” Speech In 1990s

    Let's assume that personal experience does affect judicial rulings, and that can't be helped.

    How come, as Sotomayor claims, women make better decisions than men? She's apparently said this twice, so it's not a slip of the tongue.

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