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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    He doesn't seem that way to me, particularly in how he has acted but I'm no expert.
    Look at how people have transformed his political posters:



    the real poster: "together, everything is possible"



    then it became: "together without the poors, the foreigners, the left, the extreme left, the communists, the gays, the disabled, the journalists, the blacks, the arabs, and the guy who stole my wife, everything is possible"



    "Together, everything is possible. Even the worse"


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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    ..... I would like to see a "united states of europe" complete with its own army that includes Turkey
    I too have been thinking this would be a good idea, though I have recently become a bit apprehensive. Europe could change - it is not impossible that the fascist far right could gain a hold.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post

    Personally I think it also reflects how people see the EU parliament. They still think that the EU parliament has no power (aka the parliamen 15 years ago), which is only partly true. While most power in the EU still resides with the member governments, the EU parliament does have its say, especially when it comes to the budget and EU commissioners. But yea it is not a "true" parliament like most countries have.
    I was hearing during the build up to these elections that something like 75% to 80% of our laws now come from the EU. It is certainly time to take notice and to be properly informed.

    The only parties which even bothered to send me a leaflet before this election were the BNP and UKIP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post

    The EU Parliament, in my view, is unlawful in the first place. It received mandate from the different governments in the EU, but the constituents of those governments had no say, no vote. Now they are expected to vote for members of this new government. Participation in it is already being coerced.
    I imagine it is because of the increase in powers that people are talking more and being aware more of the EU. I think before our major interest here in the UK was the European Court which we found helped us a lot.

    Now that the EU is getting more and more powers of course we are going to get more and more interested.

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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I was hearing during the build up to these elections that something like 75% to 80% of our laws now come from the EU. It is certainly time to take notice and to be properly informed.
    Now that is clear cut fear mongering. 75% to 80%? What the hell do they base that on? I guess that 75% of our laws made are on agriculture...

    The only parties which even bothered to send me a leaflet before this election were the BNP and UKIP.
    Because both parties see this as their time to gain some press time. They after all dont stand a chance if there was a real election.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    UKIP are not a far-right nationalist group. What's more I suspect you know that. The attempt to tarnish a simply Eurosceptic, avowedly libertarian party by calling it far-right and linking it to the BNP is frankly rather pathetic.
    Tarnish? So you are saying that the United Kingdom Independence Party are not a nationalist group? Could have fooled me that is for sure. They claim to be a libertarian political party, in other words they cant or wont call themselves conservatives but in essence they are right wing. They call themselves "non-racist" to distinguish themselves from BNP, but we all know that in Europe the racist parties are almost universal right wing parties, and many of them are hiding behind a legitimacy of calling themselves "non racist". Le Pen's party calls it self as non racist.. and do you seriously believe they are?
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Now that is clear cut fear mongering. 75% to 80%? What the hell do they base that on? I guess that 75% of our laws made are on agriculture...
    Thank you for putting that one straight.

    What percentage of laws come from the EU?|Nosemonkey’s EUtopia

    It did however begin to get me interested in finding out more about what is going on.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Tarnish? So you are saying that the United Kingdom Independence Party are not a nationalist group?
    I'm saying they're not a far-right nationalist group, which was your original unsupported assertion. The term nationalist is vague.


    They claim to be a libertarian political party, in other words they cant or wont call themselves conservatives but in essence they are right wing.
    So? The Tories are supposedly as well. Only to the hyperpartisan is rightwing the same as the far-right like the BNP.

    They call themselves "non-racist" to distinguish themselves from BNP, but we all know that in Europe the racist parties are almost universal right wing parties, and many of them are hiding behind a legitimacy of calling themselves "non racist". Le Pen's party calls it self as non racist.. and do you seriously believe they are?
    Is this supposed to prove your previous hyperpartisan slur? It doesn't even attempt to deal with it.

    If one looks at UKIP they are not far-right at all. They are simply very similar to quite mainstream conservative or libertarian-conservative currents in England with an extra appeal to anyone Eurosceptic. To attempt tarnish them by linking them with the far-right and BNP, particularly when there is no attempt to even back it up, is simply hyperpartisan hackery.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Look at how people have transformed his political posters:



    the real poster: "together, everything is possible"



    then it became: "together without the poors, the foreigners, the left, the extreme left, the communists, the gays, the disabled, the journalists, the blacks, the arabs, and the guy who stole my wife, everything is possible"



    "Together, everything is possible. Even the worse"

    Quite humourous, but hardly serious evidence. Blair was often called a fascist.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 06-05-09 at 10:03 AM.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Its not my question but if I may, I would like to see a "united states of europe" complete with its own army that includes Turkey
    Including Britain?

    I'd take to the barricades before I let that happen.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Obama's Party in Germany.



    When folks here start having verbal orgasms about Obama, I ask them if they're ready to vote for Oskar Lafontaine, Gregor Gysi, and ol'Biscuit in the poster.

    They look horrified, and usually say something along the lines of "hell no".
    When they're told this is Obama's political equivalent in Germany... they get quite quiet.

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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Including Britain?

    I'd take to the barricades before I let that happen.
    Yes.

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