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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Results are on Sunday because that is the offical voting day across Europe. Aka, the rest of Europe votes Sunday.

    As for the far right gains. The EU vote has turned in most countries into a protest vote against the sitting government. It has rarely anything to do with the EU it self. That is why parties like the UKIP, BNP and other far right nationalist often racist parties get high numbers.

    Personally I think it also reflects how people see the EU parliament. They still think that the EU parliament has no power (aka the parliamen 15 years ago), which is only partly true. While most power in the EU still resides with the member governments, the EU parliament does have its say, especially when it comes to the budget and EU commissioners. But yea it is not a "true" parliament like most countries have.

    But in certain countries including my own, the EU vote has turned into a some what farce since every crackpot racist nationalist jackboot comes out of the seems and gets air time. During a national election they would not even get close to the door of the building where the real parties debate in a civilized maner.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    In Sweden the far right racists will probably not get a seat. Instead we will have pirates going to Brussels.

    Pirate Party Sweden's third-largest ahead of EU vote: study - The Local

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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    In Sweden the far right racists will probably not get a seat. Instead we will have pirates going to Brussels.

    Pirate Party Sweden's third-largest ahead of EU vote: study - The Local
    Thats great news.

    Restructuring IP laws should be done quickly.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    There is a rise in neo-cons everywhere right now. Even in Canada, our PM is a neo-con evangelist.

    Neo-cons are behind regionalism, because they tend to have a neo-liberal policy. They want trade and business to grow under the elites, borders to be reduced to mere symbols, and they tend to have a socially conservative policy because limited rights means easier expansion of their economic plan.

    None of this is proceeding democratically, of course. Did Europe even vote on whether or not it wants a regional Parliament? No. You vote on the candidates, which legitimizes the system's very existence.

    It might not have a lot of power now but it's just the beginning. Through the network of elites countries will slowly give over their powers to this regional parliament. The same thing is slowly happening in all the populated continents.

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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    There is a rise in neo-cons everywhere right now. Even in Canada, our PM is a neo-con evangelist.

    Neo-cons are behind regionalism, because they tend to have a neo-liberal policy. They want trade and business to grow under the elites, borders to be reduced to mere symbols, and they tend to have a socially conservative policy because limited rights means easier expansion of their economic plan.

    None of this is proceeding democratically, of course. Did Europe even vote on whether or not it wants a regional Parliament? No. You vote on the candidates, which legitimizes the system's very existence.

    It might not have a lot of power now but it's just the beginning. Through the network of elites countries will slowly give over their powers to this regional parliament. The same thing is slowly happening in all the populated continents.
    Anytime someone creates a central governing authority, it slowly grabs more and more power. Over time the EU will be the central, powerful government and the separate nations will merely be states like the U.S. has.

    I never understand why people are so willing to give up their own sovereignty.
    There is no logical reason for it.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    UK, Netherlands vote in Euro elections - CNN.com

    Say hello to the future of regionalism.
    Indeed, it sends chills down your spin doesn't it.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That is why parties like the UKIP, BNP and other far right nationalist often racist parties get high numbers.
    UKIP are not a far-right nationalist group. What's more I suspect you know that. The attempt to tarnish a simply Eurosceptic, avowedly libertarian party by calling it far-right and linking it to the BNP is frankly rather pathetic.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Anytime someone creates a central governing authority, it slowly grabs more and more power. Over time the EU will be the central, powerful government and the separate nations will merely be states like the U.S. has.

    I never understand why people are so willing to give up their own sovereignty.
    There is no logical reason for it.
    In Britain they simply aren't. The people are against the current course of the EU, the three major parties simply have various levels of support for it, so nothing can be done. But yes in some EU nations the people do strangely seem to be for it.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    In Britain they simply aren't. The people are against the current course of the EU, the three major parties simply have various levels of support for it, so nothing can be done. But yes in some EU nations the people do strangely seem to be for it.
    I hate to say it but I suspect all the countries of Europe will loose their sovereignty soon enough.

    It reminds me of the Federalists vs. the Anti-Federalists in a way.
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    Re: UK and Netherlands vote in EU election

    I've always believed that the solution is to stop voting in members of the bourgeoise or ruling class into parliament... but it seems like the candidates for voters are always industry owners or rich bureaucrats. There need to be more middle class members in Parliament. The rich are too disconnected from the needs of society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
    Anytime someone creates a central governing authority, it slowly grabs more and more power. Over time the EU will be the central, powerful government and the separate nations will merely be states like the U.S. has.

    I never understand why people are so willing to give up their own sovereignty.
    There is no logical reason for it.
    The EU Parliament, in my view, is unlawful in the first place. It received mandate from the different governments in the EU, but the constituents of those governments had no say, no vote. Now they are expected to vote for members of this new government. Participation in it is already being coerced.

    People will vote because they are told to. Period. The average voter is not aware that their freedoms and prosperity are the way they are because it is written on a sheet of paper somewhere. They take for granted what they have. It is for this reason that the developed Western world has much more to lose than nations who are infant democracies or having civil unrest.

    Furthermore, people don't know what popular protest means anymore. The majority have to take to the streets or nothing is going to happen. Minorities are easily put down by riot squads and government thugs.

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