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    Re: N Korea Violates S Korean Waters

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    Sanctions obviously aren't working. If the U.S. doesn't invade, which I agree isn't an option really, the Navy could at least provide a blockade and shoot down their missle tests.
    HA HA Ha man you have no ****ing idea what your talking about at all. First off where would you send the US Navy for this Blockade and what are you going to stop huh just KN Flagged vessel or you going to also stop other Country flagged Vessels. Next you do understand that in order to shot down one of their Missiles we will have to move at least 15 Aegeis Destroyers into the China Sea and the Sea of Japan you really think the Chinese are going to let this happen or the Russians.

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    Re: N Korea Violates S Korean Waters

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    What ignorance.

    Tis widely known Saddam was in charge of the world's fourth largest military.

    100 hours later he had the second biggest army in Iraq.
    Worldandnation: New Iraqi army will be one-tenth Hussein's force

    "At the height of his power, Hussein boasted an army of more than 20 divisions and 400,000 soldiers, 2,600 tanks and an air force of more than 300 fighters and bombers."

    THE WORLD'S TEN LARGEST ARMIES

    THE WORLD'S TEN LARGEST ARMIES

    1. China - 1,700,000
    2. India - 1,200,000
    3. North Korea - 900,000
    4. South Korea - 560,000
    5. Pakistan - 520,000
    6. United States - 475,000
    7. Iraq - 360,000 - Pre-2003, of course.
    8. Myanmar - 325,000
    9. Russia - 320,000
    10. Iran - 320,000


    Don't be an ass. I have all day to look **** up.
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    Re: N Korea Violates S Korean Waters

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    OK -- STILL not answering the question...

    You seem fixated on the idea that because we invaded Iraq, we much also invade North Korea. How does that necessarily follow?
    I said sanctions obviously are not working. If you don't understand it, I give up. I've been down this road with you before and it's a dead end.
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    Re: N Korea Violates S Korean Waters

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Japan has been having debates in the Diet over changing their Constitution in order to once again allow for a military. The U.S. has been trying to get them to do so for years, but Japan likes the free protection.
    Japan has one of the largest advanced militaries in the world. So its not like they do not have a military.
    They simply call it the JSDF-
    The JSDF numbered 239,430 in 2005 with 147,737 in the Ground Self-Defense Force, 44,327 in the Maritime Self-Defense Force, 45,517 in the Air Self-Defense Force, and 1,849 in the Joint Staff Office. Reserves numbered 57,899.
    They have already 'bent' their Constitution and sent troops to Iraq, Afghanistan, and some other places in non-combat roles.

    Japan already in 2005-6 or so warned North Korea that it would unilaterally attack if they evidence suggesting North Korea was going to launch a large amount of missiles in a nasty way.


    But yeah they are debating scrapping the entire deal and likely will. Its virtually void by the realities now anyway.
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    Re: N Korea Violates S Korean Waters

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    What ignorance.

    Tis widely known Saddam was in charge of the world's fourth largest military.

    100 hours later he had the second biggest army in Iraq.
    Which only matters during the Feudal Ages where superior numbers actually meant something. Where there weren't battlefield changing weapons which would allow small numbers of troops to decimate larger enemy forces. When everyone is armed with a sword, numbers actually matter.

    Superiority today is quite irrelevant when it comes to numbers. When a squadron of ground support aircraft backing up several regiments can utterly decimate entire tank divisions despite being numerical outnumbered 10 to 1, superior numbers mean absolutely nothing more than more targets.

    The British during the Zulu Wars were always horribly outnumbered. Care to guess who won and who took the majority of the losses?

    Nazi machine gun nests allowed a few platoons of Germans to hold off huge numbers of Allied soldiers. Your argument of numbers over all argues that the Normandy invasion should have been a cakewalk because the Allied Forces massively outnumbered the Axis defense forces. Tell that to those who landed at Omaha.

    Numbers don't mean anything these days.

    The Iraq's military was shaky. Its air force was decimated during DS. Its tank divisions were essentially gone. All it really had as a capable force was the Republican Guard which wasn't that good in conventional warfare. Furthermore, the whole Iraqi command structure was fundamentally weak. Look up the Iraq Perspective Project. Any army with that kind of central command structure barring inter-unit communication cannot function effectively in repelling invading forced.
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    Re: N Korea Violates S Korean Waters

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    An unintended occurrence due to the fact that the area is disputed.
    I doubt that very much. They knew where they were and they hung around just long enough to make a point.
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    Re: N Korea Violates S Korean Waters

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    True enough. I was told by most of my professors at the time that we didn't stand a chance.
    That was largely due to Vietnam thinking. To be Frank, no one really knew just how much of a change the armed forces went through. Desert Storm was seen by many within the military and outside that the US military had fully recovered from the debacle of Vietnam, that it had overcome the technological and morale problems. Furthermore, Iraq was a paper tiger when it compared to at the time modern military training and equipment. Also remember that military planners at the time at the Pentagon expected much higher causalities. Upwards of 15,000. Essentially it was a war fought with modern technology with a Vietnam sense of how losses would be taken. The biggest problem with DS is that it reinforced the notion that interstate warfare would continue to be the biggest threat. The past 10 years has shown that thinking dead wrong.
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    Re: N Korea Violates S Korean Waters

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Because airstrikes don't win wars.
    Alone no, they don't. But in conjunction with local ground forces such as the KLA in flushing out enemy forces, they do. That and air strikes on civilian utilities has a way of making the population win the war for you.
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    Re: N Korea Violates S Korean Waters

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes... but then, there are options other than a full-scale invasion.
    While I agree with you that an invasion is pretty hair brained and half baked (and will likely risk a nuclear launch), what are these other alternatives?
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    Re: N Korea Violates S Korean Waters

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    HA HA Ha man you have no ****ing idea what your talking about at all. First off where would you send the US Navy for this Blockade and what are you going to stop huh just KN Flagged vessel or you going to also stop other Country flagged Vessels. Next you do understand that in order to shot down one of their Missiles we will have to move at least 15 Aegeis Destroyers into the China Sea and the Sea of Japan you really think the Chinese are going to let this happen or the Russians.
    Good points, though presented a little jerky like. I guess we have no choice but to let them invade S Korea and develope intercontinental ballistic missiles. Hell why don't we just sell 'em a few of ours we need the cash anyway.
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