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    Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S. | U.S. | Reuters


    Addressing the world's more than 1 billion Muslims from Cairo, Obama called for a "new beginning" in ties between Washington and the Islamic world in his speech that also tackled grievances over two U.S.-led wars and tensions over Iran



    Full text of the speech here:

    Prepared text of Obama's speech to Muslims | U.S. | Reuters


    Who do you all think? This particular paragraph was a little unnerving as he basically gives Hamas legitimacy, even though they are still a terrorist organization according to the State Dept.

    Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    I loved it.
    Hamas was elected, i may hate them but you do not remove them by pretending they do not exist. Bush tried that and it strengthened it.

    To put it simply, President Obama has this absolutely amazing ability to say what the Muslims want to hear and simultaneously support Israel and tell the Arabs and Muslims a few home truths.
    I was almost clapping when he was talking about womens right and Muslim abuses of human rights and gave us a much needed reminder on what the Qu'ran said because it seems we have forgotten ...
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    I am not overly concerned with the paragraph in that while he recognized Hamas, he also put restrictions on what he felt they should do. I saw it as essentially saying "play by the rules and we will recognize you", which I think is fine.

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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.
    Polynikes,

    Those terms are not new. They were set forth by the Madrid Quartet (UN, U.S., Russia, and European Union) as the basis for giving Hamas a seat at the negotiating table following Hamas' January 2006 electoral gains.

    Hamas has rejected such terms in the past. Following President Obama's speech, Hamas reaffirmed its rejectionist position against a two-state solution. The BBC quoted Ayman Taha, a Gaza-based Hamas spokesman as follows:

    Speaking about a policy of pursuing a war against extremism and working towards two states for peoples on Palestinian lands is no different from the policy of his predecessor, George W Bush.

    In other words, Hamas was reaffirming its position of seeking Israel's elimination and a single Arab state in the historic Palestine region.

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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post

    In other words, Hamas was reaffirming its position of seeking Israel's elimination and a single Arab state in the historic Palestine region.
    And it is a impossible solution.
    Recognition of both states need to happen but before even thinking about a Palestinian state occuring, Hamas needs to go but if it's removed by external forces like Israel or US then nothing will change and another Hamas will come. We need the Palestinians themselves to realise Hamas stands in the way of peace. And a actual genuine replacement to be there, Fatah is little better.
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I loved it.
    Hamas was elected, i may hate them but you do not remove them by pretending they do not exist. Bush tried that and it strengthened it.

    To put it simply, President Obama has this absolutely amazing ability to say what the Muslims want to hear and simultaneously support Israel and tell the Arabs and Muslims a few home truths.
    I was almost clapping when he was talking about womens right and Muslim abuses of human rights and gave us a much needed reminder on what the Qu'ran said because it seems we have forgotten ...
    This reminds me of the description of his tenure as Editor of the Harvard Law Review. Members from opposing points of view each said they thought Obama was agreeing with their points of view.

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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S. | U.S. | Reuters


    Addressing the world's more than 1 billion Muslims from Cairo, Obama called for a "new beginning" in ties between Washington and the Islamic world in his speech that also tackled grievances over two U.S.-led wars and tensions over Iran



    Full text of the speech here:

    Prepared text of Obama's speech to Muslims | U.S. | Reuters


    Who do you all think? This particular paragraph was a little unnerving as he basically gives Hamas legitimacy, even though they are still a terrorist organization according to the State Dept.

    Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.
    It's the same kind of things Western leaders have said over and over and over and over and over and over again. Nothing changes. This will come to nothing, just like everything else always has.

    But now the usual round of self-satisfied back-patting will commence.
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    This reminds me of the description of his tenure as Editor of the Harvard Law Review. Members from opposing points of view each said they thought Obama was agreeing with their points of view.
    And that is the key to getting something done.

    You need to make it look like both sides got what they wanted and that you came off with the better deal.


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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    And that is the key to getting something done.

    You need to make it look like both sides got what they wanted and that you came off with the better deal.
    I think both sides have valid POVs

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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Anyone else noticed how the crowd was only clapping when Obama spoke in favor of the Palestinians?
    Nobody clapped when he asked them to stop denying the holocaust, stop the terrorism or recognize Israel's right to exist.
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