Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

Harshaw said:

Those moderate voices are needed now.

These are good to see, but not one of them is in-theater. Not one of them directly takes on establishing peace between Israel and the Palestinians. These are all statements by people in India or Britain and about things in those countries.

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Well people should start speaking out and i will support them 100%

British Muslims condemning attacks abroad is as significant as any other condemnation.

Laila said:

Well people should start speaking out and i will support them 100%

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Why not go do it yourself? You're in a much better position to influence things than, say, I am.

British Muslims condemning attacks abroad is as significant as any other condemnation.

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Not in the context of the Israeli/Palestinian issue, which is what all this is about. If they were saying "our Palestinian brothers need to learn to live in peace with their Israeli neighbors," then maybe. But that's not what they're saying.

President Obama is a speech maker. He will make people swoon and feel warm and cozy about the world they live in and build upon their illusions, but in the end the world will be exactly what it is.

Plenty of Muslims will continue to see the American culture as serving satan. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb"]Qutb's[/ame] writing are the most influential in the Muslim Brotherhood. Not so coincidentally, most Islamic terrorists and militant extremists are members of the Muslim Brotherhood. In fact, Qutb, known for his intense disapproval of the culture, society and people of the United States, has been described as "the man whose ideas would shape Al Qaeda."

Plenty of Americans will continue to see Islam as the enemy. After watching Islamic nations treat their women as property and performing brutal "justices" upon their people, culminating in rebellious and terrorist activity, there is a sour bitter base amongst Americans. Further, because we practice diplomacy with less than desirable nations for resources and trade, we are pulled into the blame game as if we prescribe this culture to them. Decades of terrorist activity against American servicemen and civilians, destroyed embassies and military property, and 9/11 have left plenty of Americans with a complete distaste and distrust for Muslim culture.

Both Muslims and Americans are going to need much more than a few savvy speeches on the world stage. Muslims have this idea that we need to show them respect and accept that the few do not define the many and that they reject religious extremism and its product. But the problem comes in when we watch the Western powers hunt down Islamic terrorists and wage war upon militant organizations determined to damage the west and enslave Muslims....and see no Muslim participation to help. Where are the Arab armies in Afghanistan to protect and help progress their region? Where are the mass local populations standing up against their oppressors with a determination to prove that the problem wihtin Islam is just from the "few?"

These, among much much more, are the questions and acknowlegments that need to be produced on the world stage. We should have already been enforcing the fact that we are not at war with Islam despite Western war protestors preaching the opposite while the ignorant of the Middle East ate it up as if gospel. But such words only build upon the illusions. If this is truly a war where Muslims and the West are allied against Islamic extremism, then maybe it's time the Muslim community took a piece of the game ball.

Oh, and as for the Palestiniain/Israeli affair.....it will never happen. Israelis will never trust that Palestinians won't use new land to launch rockets from (already proven from the last time) and Palestinians will never trust that Israel simply wants to be left alone as long as a Jewish family member builds a house next to his father's in acquired land during the last Arab/Israeli war.

Irrelevant, meaningless, pompous, narcissistic, garbage, laughable, cheesey, teleprompter read full of idealistic leftist horse****. With numerous shaded and unshaded jabs at the USA throughout.

Oh and PULEESE with the stupid ringer cheering/making noise in the audience.


He reaffirmed that as long as he is in power the USA is a pushover. Worse then Carter in a world worse then Carter faced.

donsutherland1 said:

Polynikes,

Those terms are not new. They were set forth by the Madrid Quartet (UN, U.S., Russia, and European Union) as the basis for giving Hamas a seat at the negotiating table following Hamas' January 2006 electoral gains.

Hamas has rejected such terms in the past. Following President Obama's speech, Hamas reaffirmed its rejectionist position against a two-state solution. The BBC quoted Ayman Taha, a Gaza-based Hamas spokesman as follows:

Speaking about a policy of pursuing a war against extremism and working towards two states for peoples on Palestinian lands is no different from the policy of his predecessor, George W Bush.

In other words, Hamas was reaffirming its position of seeking Israel's elimination and a single Arab state in the historic Palestine region.

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I never said the terms were new, I was merely quoting Obama's speech.

Laila said:

Hamas was elected

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A few of them where elected to a joint government. They then proceeded to seize full power in gaza by murdering people in a well documented and broadcast coup.


If the Republicans overthrow Obama and shoot him and his administration members in the middle of the street will you say they where elected too?
..I doubt it.

Triad said:

A few of them where elected to a joint government. They then proceeded to seize full power in gaza by murdering people in a well documented and broadcast coup.

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They seized complete control of Gaza because Bush and Israel decided democracy is not legitimate in the Gaza Strip, despite what the world saw as fair elections.

Who staged the coup? Who funded Fatah and Israeli fighters in there attempted coup?

That will answer why Hamas has de facto control of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas initiated the coup....

Triad said:

Hamas initiated the coup....

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Yes, they initiated it by deciding to run in the legislative elections.

GySgt said:

President Obama is a speech maker.

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No.

The Messiah is a speech READER.

GySgt said:

Plenty of Americans will continue to see Islam as the enemy. After watching Islamic nations treat their women as property and performing brutal "justices" upon their people, culminating in rebellious and terrorist activity, there is a sour bitter base amongst Americans. Further, because we practice diplomacy with less than desirable nations for resources and trade, we are pulled into the blame game as if we prescribe this culture to them. Decades of terrorist activity against American servicemen and civilians, destroyed embassies and military property, and 9/11 have left plenty of Americans with a complete distaste and distrust for Muslim culture.

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Got that straight.

When they grow up and become civized, they can petition for our respect.

It's a complete embarassment for the US president to be bowing to these people and repeatedly making apologies to them.

GySgt said:

Muslims have this idea that we need to show them respect and accept that the few do not define the many and that they reject religious extremism and its product.

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Fine.

First thing they need to learn as they grow up is that respect is earned by deed, not awarded without inspection.

Second they need to learn is that if they tolerate lice, fleas, maggots, or terrorists in their midst that they won't be respected.

GySgt said:

But the problem comes in when we watch the Western powers hunt down Islamic terrorists and wage war upon militant organizations determined to damage the west and enslave Muslims....and see no Muslim participation to help. Where are the Arab armies in Afghanistan to protect and help progress their region? Where are the mass local populations standing up against their oppressors with a determination to prove that the problem wihtin Islam is just from the "few?"

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They aren't there because Islam has no desire to join the Twenty First century, it's intent on staying in the Seventh.

Polynikes said:

Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S. | U.S. | Reuters


Addressing the world's more than 1 billion Muslims from Cairo, Obama called for a "new beginning" in ties between Washington and the Islamic world in his speech that also tackled grievances over two U.S.-led wars and tensions over Iran

Full text of the speech here:

Prepared text of Obama's speech to Muslims | U.S. | Reuters


Who do you all think? This particular paragraph was a little unnerving as he basically gives Hamas legitimacy, even though they are still a terrorist organization according to the State Dept.

Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.

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I do not percieve his words as "giving" HAMAS legitimacy. HAMAS is unfortunately a defacto government for a major part of the Palestinians. I believed with all my being that Stalin and every filthy Soviet/Russian dictator of the USSR to be illegitimate but sadly bags of fecal matter fron Lenin through Gorbachov were defacto rulers of the Soviet empire.

So no matter what you, I or Ricky Bobby of Shakey Falls Georgia thinks of HAMAS they are defacto actors of the Palestinian goernment.

When 9/11 happened who do you think you should of apologised too?

You schmoes who are criticizing President Obama's

speech in the land of the pyramids do not understand how the Head of State of the leading country of the world needs to act. What did you expect President Obama to say to the Muslim world??? Did you expect him to go over there and say “ok you camel humping towel wearing Muslim sons of pig ho’s I came here to call you out for the attack on our great liberal city and its twins, he he!! So you guys wanna fight meet me over in the shade of that big pyramid house over dar and uncle Cheney will kick your butts if Rush says it’s ok do he he. “

mikhail said:

When 9/11 happened who do you think you should of apologised too?

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where was the appology and who had and to whom was it made to ?

Degreez said:

Yes, they initiated it by deciding to run in the legislative elections.

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No.
They (Hamas) initiated the coup by murdering people well after those elections.

anyways..speech..

Triad said:

No.
They (Hamas) initiated the coup by murdering people well after those elections.

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Murdering people is equivalent to staging a coup? Then people are staging coups everyday. Be less vague.

They won fair elections, were not recognized for winning those elections, hit with economic sanctions, then had Fatah forces in Northern Gaza try to establish military control. I'm not trying to portray Hamas as the good guys, but they most certainly did not initiate the coup.

What point would they have in initiating a coup to overthrow a current government, while also running to be part of that current government. It follows no logic.