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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Hamas was elected

    A few of them where elected to a joint government. They then proceeded to seize full power in gaza by murdering people in a well documented and broadcast coup.


    If the Republicans overthrow Obama and shoot him and his administration members in the middle of the street will you say they where elected too?
    ..I doubt it.

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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    A few of them where elected to a joint government. They then proceeded to seize full power in gaza by murdering people in a well documented and broadcast coup.
    They seized complete control of Gaza because Bush and Israel decided democracy is not legitimate in the Gaza Strip, despite what the world saw as fair elections.

    Who staged the coup? Who funded Fatah and Israeli fighters in there attempted coup?

    That will answer why Hamas has de facto control of the Gaza Strip.

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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Hamas initiated the coup....

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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Hamas initiated the coup....
    Yes, they initiated it by deciding to run in the legislative elections.

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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    President Obama is a speech maker.
    No.

    The Messiah is a speech READER.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Plenty of Americans will continue to see Islam as the enemy. After watching Islamic nations treat their women as property and performing brutal "justices" upon their people, culminating in rebellious and terrorist activity, there is a sour bitter base amongst Americans. Further, because we practice diplomacy with less than desirable nations for resources and trade, we are pulled into the blame game as if we prescribe this culture to them. Decades of terrorist activity against American servicemen and civilians, destroyed embassies and military property, and 9/11 have left plenty of Americans with a complete distaste and distrust for Muslim culture.
    Got that straight.

    When they grow up and become civized, they can petition for our respect.

    It's a complete embarassment for the US president to be bowing to these people and repeatedly making apologies to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Muslims have this idea that we need to show them respect and accept that the few do not define the many and that they reject religious extremism and its product.
    Fine.

    First thing they need to learn as they grow up is that respect is earned by deed, not awarded without inspection.

    Second they need to learn is that if they tolerate lice, fleas, maggots, or terrorists in their midst that they won't be respected.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    But the problem comes in when we watch the Western powers hunt down Islamic terrorists and wage war upon militant organizations determined to damage the west and enslave Muslims....and see no Muslim participation to help. Where are the Arab armies in Afghanistan to protect and help progress their region? Where are the mass local populations standing up against their oppressors with a determination to prove that the problem wihtin Islam is just from the "few?"
    They aren't there because Islam has no desire to join the Twenty First century, it's intent on staying in the Seventh.

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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S. | U.S. | Reuters


    Addressing the world's more than 1 billion Muslims from Cairo, Obama called for a "new beginning" in ties between Washington and the Islamic world in his speech that also tackled grievances over two U.S.-led wars and tensions over Iran

    Full text of the speech here:

    Prepared text of Obama's speech to Muslims | U.S. | Reuters


    Who do you all think? This particular paragraph was a little unnerving as he basically gives Hamas legitimacy, even though they are still a terrorist organization according to the State Dept.

    Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.
    I do not percieve his words as "giving" HAMAS legitimacy. HAMAS is unfortunately a defacto government for a major part of the Palestinians. I believed with all my being that Stalin and every filthy Soviet/Russian dictator of the USSR to be illegitimate but sadly bags of fecal matter fron Lenin through Gorbachov were defacto rulers of the Soviet empire.

    So no matter what you, I or Ricky Bobby of Shakey Falls Georgia thinks of HAMAS they are defacto actors of the Palestinian goernment.
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    When 9/11 happened who do you think you should of apologised too?
    The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking.

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    You schmoes who are criticizing President Obama's

    speech in the land of the pyramids do not understand how the Head of State of the leading country of the world needs to act. What did you expect President Obama to say to the Muslim world??? Did you expect him to go over there and say ok you camel humping towel wearing Muslim sons of pig hos I came here to call you out for the attack on our great liberal city and its twins, he he!! So you guys wanna fight meet me over in the shade of that big pyramid house over dar and uncle Cheney will kick your butts if Rush says its ok do he he.
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    When 9/11 happened who do you think you should of apologised too?
    where was the appology and who had and to whom was it made to ?
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Yes, they initiated it by deciding to run in the legislative elections.


    No.
    They (Hamas) initiated the coup by murdering people well after those elections.

    anyways..speech..

    Last edited by Triad; 06-04-09 at 10:46 PM.

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