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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Clearly not making their voices heard if you need to ask that.
    Why have they NEVER "made their voices heard"? It isn't because of Bush. None of this is even slightly new.


    Oh i can't become a Imam and lead prayers. Only men.
    I'd love to influence Muslims but i'm not so lucky
    It doesn't stop you from trying. If moderate voices are needed, and if moderate voices would help, then why not give it a shot?
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why have they NEVER "made their voices heard"? It isn't because of Bush. None of this is even slightly new.

    It doesn't stop you from trying. If moderate voices are needed, and if moderate voices would help, then why not give it a shot?
    I could enter the debate i guess. Maybe one day i will god willing

    They have, Moderate Muslims have been condemning and sending fatwa's many times. Moderate Muslims have been around for a long time, it was merely a brief shift of power to extremists which hopefully will balance itself with Iran's elections etc.


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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I could enter the debate i guess. Maybe one day i will god willing
    It's a question of YOU being willing.

    They have, Moderate Muslims have been condemning and sending fatwa's many times. Moderate Muslims have been around for a long time, it was merely a brief shift of power to extremists which hopefully will balance itself with Iran's elections etc.
    Prominent examples of this?
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's a question of YOU being willing.

    Prominent examples of this?
    I'd be willing to, indeed. I'd be very honored to hold such responsibility and authority but let me get some world experience first.

    Muslim seminary issues fatwa against terrorism - Asia, World - The Independent
    BBC NEWS | UK | Muslims urge end to anti-Semitism
    Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks in Mumbai
    Harry’s Place British Muslims Condemn Anti-Semitism
    BBC NEWS | England | West Midlands | Muslim leaders condemn terrorism
    British Muslims urge mosques to condemn attacks on Jews amid Gaza conflict - Telegraph

    Just a few out of thousands.


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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'd be willing to, indeed. I'd be very honored to hold such responsibility and authority but let me get some world experience first.
    Those moderate voices are needed now.

    These are good to see, but not one of them is in-theater. Not one of them directly takes on establishing peace between Israel and the Palestinians. These are all statements by people in India or Britain and about things in those countries.
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Those moderate voices are needed now.

    These are good to see, but not one of them is in-theater. Not one of them directly takes on establishing peace between Israel and the Palestinians. These are all statements by people in India or Britain and about things in those countries.
    Well people should start speaking out and i will support them 100%

    British Muslims condemning attacks abroad is as significant as any other condemnation.


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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Well people should start speaking out and i will support them 100%
    Why not go do it yourself? You're in a much better position to influence things than, say, I am.


    British Muslims condemning attacks abroad is as significant as any other condemnation.
    Not in the context of the Israeli/Palestinian issue, which is what all this is about. If they were saying "our Palestinian brothers need to learn to live in peace with their Israeli neighbors," then maybe. But that's not what they're saying.
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    President Obama is a speech maker. He will make people swoon and feel warm and cozy about the world they live in and build upon their illusions, but in the end the world will be exactly what it is.

    Plenty of Muslims will continue to see the American culture as serving satan. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb"]Qutb's[/ame] writing are the most influential in the Muslim Brotherhood. Not so coincidentally, most Islamic terrorists and militant extremists are members of the Muslim Brotherhood. In fact, Qutb, known for his intense disapproval of the culture, society and people of the United States, has been described as "the man whose ideas would shape Al Qaeda."

    Plenty of Americans will continue to see Islam as the enemy. After watching Islamic nations treat their women as property and performing brutal "justices" upon their people, culminating in rebellious and terrorist activity, there is a sour bitter base amongst Americans. Further, because we practice diplomacy with less than desirable nations for resources and trade, we are pulled into the blame game as if we prescribe this culture to them. Decades of terrorist activity against American servicemen and civilians, destroyed embassies and military property, and 9/11 have left plenty of Americans with a complete distaste and distrust for Muslim culture.

    Both Muslims and Americans are going to need much more than a few savvy speeches on the world stage. Muslims have this idea that we need to show them respect and accept that the few do not define the many and that they reject religious extremism and its product. But the problem comes in when we watch the Western powers hunt down Islamic terrorists and wage war upon militant organizations determined to damage the west and enslave Muslims....and see no Muslim participation to help. Where are the Arab armies in Afghanistan to protect and help progress their region? Where are the mass local populations standing up against their oppressors with a determination to prove that the problem wihtin Islam is just from the "few?"

    These, among much much more, are the questions and acknowlegments that need to be produced on the world stage. We should have already been enforcing the fact that we are not at war with Islam despite Western war protestors preaching the opposite while the ignorant of the Middle East ate it up as if gospel. But such words only build upon the illusions. If this is truly a war where Muslims and the West are allied against Islamic extremism, then maybe it's time the Muslim community took a piece of the game ball.

    Oh, and as for the Palestiniain/Israeli affair.....it will never happen. Israelis will never trust that Palestinians won't use new land to launch rockets from (already proven from the last time) and Palestinians will never trust that Israel simply wants to be left alone as long as a Jewish family member builds a house next to his father's in acquired land during the last Arab/Israeli war.
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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Irrelevant, meaningless, pompous, narcissistic, garbage, laughable, cheesey, teleprompter read full of idealistic leftist horse****. With numerous shaded and unshaded jabs at the USA throughout.

    Oh and PULEESE with the stupid ringer cheering/making noise in the audience.


    He reaffirmed that as long as he is in power the USA is a pushover. Worse then Carter in a world worse then Carter faced.

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    Re: Obama seeks to change Muslim perceptions of U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Polynikes,

    Those terms are not new. They were set forth by the Madrid Quartet (UN, U.S., Russia, and European Union) as the basis for giving Hamas a seat at the negotiating table following Hamas' January 2006 electoral gains.

    Hamas has rejected such terms in the past. Following President Obama's speech, Hamas reaffirmed its rejectionist position against a two-state solution. The BBC quoted Ayman Taha, a Gaza-based Hamas spokesman as follows:

    Speaking about a policy of pursuing a war against extremism and working towards two states for peoples on Palestinian lands is no different from the policy of his predecessor, George W Bush.

    In other words, Hamas was reaffirming its position of seeking Israel's elimination and a single Arab state in the historic Palestine region.
    I never said the terms were new, I was merely quoting Obama's speech.
    "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." -Jefferson

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