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    Re: 20 Years after Tiananmen

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's amazing how with some people, there's nothing in this world which isn't our fault.
    And it's way more amazing when those certain people declare themselves as "Moderates"
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    Re: 20 Years after Tiananmen

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    Tiananmen 20th anniversary brings new repression - Yahoo! News

    "It is the dream of all Chinese people to have democracy!" the crowd gathered in Hong Kong's famous Victoria Park sang in unison."

    Too bad this is ignored in favor of invading oil rich countries.
    Yeah, let's invade China. I just have this little confusing problem about what people want. The Global Left wants to monopolize the notion of equality, freedom of expression, and basic human rights, yet have no energy beyond a picket sign. Their picket signs even protest action to bring such things to some people, while dismissing these aspects, for favor of protesting pure oil greed (It doesn't matter that the population receives an opportunity for the Leftist dream in the process, you see). I'm sure they will put the picket signs down and cheer the military on as they move past one Chinese village after another liberating the oppressed and "forcing our culture" down their throats.

    President Clinton (the hero of the left) sought to inspire Americans to support a bold global role - to give a sense of purpose and idealism to the country's actions in the world, lest the American people and their leaders succumb to the temptation to withdraw. This resembled the neoconservative effort to build new national projects. President Clinton's era saw repeated attempts to end the UN's hypocritical containment mission in Iraq with us as enforcer and blame taker, police action against genocide in two other "new" nations in Europe, and a fixed coup in a Caribbean island nation. All represented the neocon's agenda to bring true peace and westernized democracy to the world. Such things ensures that we have less and less work to do in regards to making sure our much wider and bigger interests are secure in the long term.

    But when it came to the oil rich nation of Iraq, the neocon was branded as evil by the Left, which often abandons it false principles to reveal more of its true identity. They had no problem accepting neocon agenda (of whose members were all former Democrats turned Republican during the Carter era because the Leftist sermon was more BS than sincerity) when their guy sits in the White House, but not so much when there sits another.

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    Re: 20 Years after Tiananmen

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Yeah, let's invade China. I just have this little confusing problem about what people want. The Global Left wants to monopolize the notion of equality, freedom of expression, and basic human rights, yet have no energy beyond a picket sign. Their picket signs even protest action to bring such things to some people, while dismissing these aspects, for favor of protesting pure oil greed (It doesn't matter that the population receives an opportunity for the Leftist dream in the process, you see). I'm sure they will put the picket signs down and cheer the military on as they move past one Chinese village after another liberating the oppressed and "forcing our culture" down their throats.

    President Clinton (the hero of the left) sought to inspire Americans to support a bold global role - to give a sense of purpose and idealism to the country's actions in the world, lest the American people and their leaders succumb to the temptation to withdraw. This resembled the neoconservative effort to build new national projects. President Clinton's era saw repeated attempts to end the UN's hypocritical containment mission in Iraq with us as enforcer and blame taker, police action against genocide in two other "new" nations in Europe, and a fixed coup in a Caribbean island nation. All represented the neocon's agenda to bring true peace and westernized democracy to the world. Such things ensures that we have less and less work to do in regards to making sure our much wider and bigger interests are secure in the long term.

    But when it came to the oil rich nation of Iraq, the neocon was branded as evil by the Left, which often abandons it false principles to reveal more of its true identity. They had no problem accepting neocon agenda (of whose members were all former Democrats turned Republican during the Carter era because the Leftist sermon was more BS than sincerity) when their guy sits in the White House, but not so much when there sits another.
    It's not just about the oil. It's about the fact that Iraq didn't have any defense and the Bush admin knew it. Who is the current enemy in Iraq? Factions of insurgents that's who. We are not fighting a military, we're fighting militia. The same type of people who would organize and fight if the U.S. was ever invaded.
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    Re: 20 Years after Tiananmen

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    And it's way more amazing when those certain people declare themselves as "Moderates"
    What's a centrist anyway?
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    Re: 20 Years after Tiananmen

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    It's not just about the oil. It's about the fact that Iraq didn't have any defense and the Bush admin knew it. Who is the current enemy in Iraq? Factions of insurgents that's who. We are not fighting a military, we're fighting militia. The same type of people who would organize and fight if the U.S. was ever invaded.
    OK. So what?
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    Re: 20 Years after Tiananmen

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's amazing how with some people, there's nothing in this world which isn't our fault.
    In 1989, the U.S. could have done something about Tiananmen and the massacre. We could have also done something about our then ally Saddam Hussein. But no, our diplomat in Iraq was privy to saying the U.S. had no opinion in what the Iraqi government would do about the disputed oil field that spanned both the borders of Iraq and Kuwait, which Saddam was bitching to the U.N. for years about only to be ignored in favor of Saudi Arabia. You know, the country where most Al-Qaida terrorists come from? And which there is/was evidence of them giving amnisty and medical attention to the man sitting to the left of Osama Bin Laden on the tape discovered after the 9/11 attacks.
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    Re: 20 Years after Tiananmen

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    In 1989, the U.S. could have done something about Tiananmen and the massacre. We could have also done something about our then ally Saddam Hussein. But no, our diplomat in Iraq was privy to saying the U.S. had no opinion in what the Iraqi government would do about the disputed oil field that spanned both the borders of Iraq and Kuwait, which Saddam was bitching to the U.N. for years about only to be ignored in favor of Saudi Arabia. You know, the country where most Al-Qaida terrorists come from? And which there is/was evidence of them giving amnisty and medical attention to the man sitting to the left of Osama Bin Laden on the tape discovered after the 9/11 attacks.
    Thank you for bolstering my point.
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    Re: 20 Years after Tiananmen

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK. So what?
    So remind me as to why we are there?
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    Re: 20 Years after Tiananmen

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Thank you for bolstering my point.
    You don't have a point.
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    Re: 20 Years after Tiananmen

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    So remind me as to why we are there?
    What does "why we are there" have anything to do with what I quoted you on?

    But thank you again for continuing to bolster my point.
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