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Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting violence

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Radio host Hal Turner has been taken into custody and arrested for inciting violence after he blogged that Connecticut Catholics need to take up arms against 2 lawmakers and a state ethics official. Here is what Turner posted in his blog:

"It is our intent to foment direct action against these individuals personally," the blog stated. "These beastly government officials should be made an example of as a warning to others in government: Obey the Constitution or die."
And, the post continued, "If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they're going to get uppity with us about this; I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down too."
My question to everyone is the following: Where does free speech end and hate speech begin? The First Amendment is fine and dandy, but when you advocate killing, you have gone over the line, and your rights to free speech end right there.

Article is here.
 
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As soon as you infringe on someone else's right to be secure in their person, you have crossed the line. Ranks right up their with yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
 
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Uhm, what does hannity have to do with this?
 
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Radio host Hal Turner has been taken into custody and arrested for inciting violence after he blogged that Connecticut Catholics need to take up arms against 2 lawmakers and a state ethics official. Here is what Turner posted in his blog:

My question to everyone is the following: Where does free speech end and hate speech begin? The First Amendment is fine and dandy, but when you advocate killing, you have gone over the line, and your rights to free speech end right there.

Article is here.

Rallying people to protest is one thing. Rallying people to kill others simply because you don't agree with their politics or whatever is another. This guy is an extremist idiot and deserves to be locked up. When you advocate violence and even death against others you go outside the realms of free speech.
 
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Uhm, what does hannity have to do with this?

This guy was a frequent guest on Hannity. It's also part of the article title.
 
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Uhm, what does hannity have to do with this?

Well it's in the article title which is a BN requirement.

And it shows Hannity pals around with terrorists.

:doh

EDIT:

Damn, wrong smiley!

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My question to everyone is the following: Where does free speech end and hate speech begin? The First Amendment is fine and dandy, but when you advocate killing, you have gone over the line, and your rights to free speech end right there.
There is no First Amendment issue here.

The First Amendment gives every man the right to speak his mind. What the First Amendment does not do is give any man the right to breach the peace, nor to conspire to commit murder and mayhem.

Had Turner been content merely to deride the targets of his wrath as traitors to the Constitution, he would have had sanctuary under the First Amendment. He was not so content, and so he does not have sanctuary under the First Amendment.
 
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Radio host Hal Turner has been taken into custody and arrested for inciting violence after he blogged that Connecticut Catholics need to take up arms against 2 lawmakers and a state ethics official. Here is what Turner posted in his blog:

My question to everyone is the following: Where does free speech end and hate speech begin? The First Amendment is fine and dandy, but when you advocate killing, you have gone over the line, and your rights to free speech end right there.

Article is here.

Turner is communicating a threat of violence and inciting others towards the commission of that violence. He's a tool and I am glad he was taken into custody. I hope he's convicted, does some time, and is forever known as that "Whacked Up Hal Turner Nut."
 
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So you see no problem with that?

No problem with what? The fact that he was mentioned? I think it gives people a frame of reference. People probably never would have heard of the guy if it weren't for Hannity having him as a guest. I don't think they are implying that Hannity is somehow in league with this guy.
 
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As soon as you infringe on someone else's right to be secure in their person, you have crossed the line. Ranks right up their with yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

I dont really agree with the shouting "fire" hypothesis as i think it can be applied far too broadly.However to directly encourage people to use violence on individuals is incitement.
 
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Really I think they associated Hannity in this article because it would make people go "oh hell, I wanna read about THAT!" I didn't even know who this guy was.
 
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No problem with what? The fact that he was mentioned? I think it gives people a frame of reference. People probably never would have heard of the guy if it weren't for Hannity having him as a guest. I don't think they are implying that Hannity is somehow in league with this guy.





"Turner reportedly established a friendship with Sean Hannity, on whose program he was a frequent presence.[4] However, when confronted by the New Black Panther Party's Malik Zulu Shabazz about his association with Turner (in light of Hannity's scrutiny of Barack Obama's association with Jeremiah Wright), Hannity at first denied knowing Turner, then said he had banned Turner from his radio station, and that he never supported Turner's views. Turner subsequently posted this response on his website: "I was quite disappointed when Sean Hannity at first tried to say he didn't know me. In fact, Sean does know me and we were quite friendly a few years ago"

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner[/ame]



Seems once Sean found out who this idiot was. dropped him like the racist idiot he was.


I think linking him to hannity here, may be a bit of a jab to associate hannity with a racist.
 
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"Turner reportedly established a friendship with Sean Hannity, on whose program he was a frequent presence.[4] However, when confronted by the New Black Panther Party's Malik Zulu Shabazz about his association with Turner (in light of Hannity's scrutiny of Barack Obama's association with Jeremiah Wright), Hannity at first denied knowing Turner, then said he had banned Turner from his radio station, and that he never supported Turner's views. Turner subsequently posted this response on his website: "I was quite disappointed when Sean Hannity at first tried to say he didn't know me. In fact, Sean does know me and we were quite friendly a few years ago"

Hal Turner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Seems once Sean found out who this idiot was. dropped him like the racist idiot he was.


I think linking him to hannity here, may be a bit of a jab to associate hannity with a racist.

It's funny because in many respects this issue is somewhat similar to the whole William Ayers thing when people tried to claim that Obama had terrorist ties. Just like that issue I think this is much ado about nothing. I don't think that they are trying to tie Hannity to this guy like Hannity supports terrorists and even if they were people are much smarter than that (hopefully). It's not too much fun having the tables turned.
 
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It's funny because in many respects this issue is somewhat similar to the whole William Ayers thing when people tried to claim that Obama had terrorist ties. Just like that issue I think this is much ado about nothing. I don't think that they are trying to tie Hannity to this guy like Hannity supports terrorists and even if they were people are much smarter than that (hopefully). It's not too much fun having the tables turned.




Obama sat in that racist's church for 20 years.


As soon as hannity found out this guy was a racist pig dropped him right quick and banned him from his show.


Did Obama do the same with Wright?



I think the comparisons are indeed similar, however, I think what hannity did was more respectable in this instance, you?
 
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Obama sat in that racist's church for 20 years.


As soon as hannity found out this guy was a racist pig dropped him right quick and banned him from his show.


Did Obama do the same with Wright?



I think the comparisons are indeed similar, however, I think what hannity did was more respectable in this instance, you?

I really could care less. I think that the only people who would even try to tie people together like that are opportunists who care only about attacking their opponents than bringing anything constructive to the table. I think in this instance it's obvious that Hannity isn't an extremist like this guy and doesn't share his views. I also don't think that Obama shares Wright's views or Ayers' views. I do, however, think it is rather hypocritical to be okay with this kind of lame opportunist attacking when it's against someone you don't agree with, but then be against it when it's against someone you do agree with.
 
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"Turner reportedly established a friendship with Sean Hannity, on whose program he was a frequent presence.[4] However, when confronted by the New Black Panther Party's Malik Zulu Shabazz about his association with Turner (in light of Hannity's scrutiny of Barack Obama's association with Jeremiah Wright), Hannity at first denied knowing Turner, then said he had banned Turner from his radio station, and that he never supported Turner's views. Turner subsequently posted this response on his website: "I was quite disappointed when Sean Hannity at first tried to say he didn't know me. In fact, Sean does know me and we were quite friendly a few years ago"

Hal Turner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Seems once Sean found out who this idiot was. dropped him like the racist idiot he was.


I think linking him to hannity here, may be a bit of a jab to associate hannity with a racist.

Sounds to me like that is an attack on Hannity. Perhaps trying to say Hannity is a right-wing extremist like Turner???

I have never even heard of this Turner guy.
 
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So why wasn't Louis Farahkhan or Jeremiah Wright ever arrested?
 
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Radio host Hal Turner has been taken into custody and arrested for inciting violence after he blogged that Connecticut Catholics need to take up arms against 2 lawmakers and a state ethics official. Here is what Turner posted in his blog:

My question to everyone is the following: Where does free speech end and hate speech begin? The First Amendment is fine and dandy, but when you advocate killing, you have gone over the line, and your rights to free speech end right there.

Article is here.
I do not agree with Hal Turner's statement, but free speech is just that, free speech.
There was no reason to arrest the man. It's the idiots that would follow through, that we need to apprehend. Of course, that wouldn't happen until it's too late. Where is the law against hate speech? I don't know. People hate people, that's just the way it is.
Doesn't mean you should be arrested for speaking your mind! Sticks and Stones! Ya'll know that!
 
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I do not agree with Hal Turner's statement, but free speech is just that, free speech.
There was no reason to arrest the man. It's the idiots that would follow through, that we need to apprehend. Of course, that wouldn't happen until it's too late. Where is the law against hate speech? I don't know. People hate people, that's just the way it is.
Doesn't mean you should be arrested for speaking your mind! Sticks and Stones! Ya'll know that!

There's a world of difference between free speech and inciting violence against others. The moment you advocate violence or killing of others, your free speech rights end. Turner should have been smart enough to know that. The man is a buffoon.
 
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So why wasn't Louis Farahkhan or Jeremiah Wright ever arrested?
Because saying "God Damn America" is not now nor should it ever be a crime.
 
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I really could care less. I think that the only people who would even try to tie people together like that are opportunists who care only about attacking their opponents than bringing anything constructive to the table. I think in this instance it's obvious that Hannity isn't an extremist like this guy and doesn't share his views. I also don't think that Obama shares Wright's views or Ayers' views. I do, however, think it is rather hypocritical to be okay with this kind of lame opportunist attacking when it's against someone you don't agree with, but then be against it when it's against someone you do agree with.




Really?

See I think that if we paid more attention from the get go, to Wright, Obama, "racism typical of white people" like his grandmother, We could avoid seeing a racist being appointed to the supreme court.


On and on, we see Obama is about race, now I don't want to derail a thread. But lets face it. Hannity rejected the racist in his midst, Obama, not only hung around for 20 years, but defended him, called white people racists, and appointed a racist to SCOTUS.


This is a pattern that sadly, has just only begun.
 
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Really?

See I think that if we paid more attention from the get go, to Wright, Obama, "racism typical of white people" like his grandmother, We could avoid seeing a racist being appointed to the supreme court.


On and on, we see Obama is about race, now I don't want to derail a thread. But lets face it. Hannity rejected the racist in his midst, Obama, not only hung around for 20 years, but defended him, called white people racists, and appointed a racist to SCOTUS.


This is a pattern that sadly, has just only begun.

Uhmmm white people do have a long history of racism though.
 
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Uhmmm white people do have a long history of racism though.
But not an exclusive one.
 
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Really?

See I think that if we paid more attention from the get go, to Wright, Obama, "racism typical of white people" like his grandmother, We could avoid seeing a racist being appointed to the supreme court.


On and on, we see Obama is about race, now I don't want to derail a thread. But lets face it. Hannity rejected the racist in his midst, Obama, not only hung around for 20 years, but defended him, called white people racists, and appointed a racist to SCOTUS.


This is a pattern that sadly, has just only begun.

I think a lot of what Obama has said has been misunderstood or taken out of context. I don't think he's racist in any way. Wright, on the other hand, is. Just because Obama sat in church for 20 years listening to this man doesn't necessarily mean that he shares his views. In that same way, I don't agree with Hannity, but I certainly think that he's smart enough not to share such extremist views of Turner. So, even if they are trying to tie together (which I honestly don't see) it's no different, to me, than people trying to tie Obama to Wright or Ayers. However, I do find it interesting that you haven't mentioned the obvious parallels between this and the Ayers issue too. In fact, I brought the Ayers issue up and you ignored it and instead chose the Wright issue. Is it because that's more convenient or do you really not see the parallels between this and the Ayers issue?
 
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