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Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting violence

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dclxvinoise said:
The whole church, huh? Really? Would you care to prove that?

I'm not suggesting he was an anomaly, but I am saying that just because Obama attended that church doesn't mean that he shares the man's political and racial views.
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I don't think it's a huge stretch that if you sit in a church for 20 years under the same pastor, then you probably have some things in common.

Some of the things Wright was saying would have made me walk out with offense of it.
 
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jallman said:
I don't think it's a huge stretch that if you sit in a church for 20 years under the same pastor, then you probably have some things in common.

Some of the things Wright was saying would have made me walk out with offense of it.
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Those views probably don't look as extreme from the perspective of a black person. Overall, I'm just saying that this is a non-issue as far as having ties to Hannity just as much as the Wright and Ayers stuff was with Obama, in my opinion.
 
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jallman said:
I don't think it's a huge stretch that if you sit in a church for 20 years under the same pastor, then you probably have some things in common.

Some of the things Wright was saying would have made me walk out with offense of it.
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HOw often did he go on those rants though?

If you go to the church for a year and there's nothing that far out of line and really nothing you disagree with, but on the 63rd visit, something outlandish is said, do you give up on that church entirely?

From what I've heard from people who actually have gone to that church is that he wasn't like that in every sermon, or even the majority of sermons.

I remember going to church and occasionally hearing crazy ****, but I never once saw anyone walk out of the church over it. Granted, I haven't been to a church sermon in over 20 years.
 
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winston53660 said:
Yes I belive it is typical from people of that generation. I've heard from my own Grandmother and my Mother both of which said I would be dis owned if I brought a black girl home when I moved to Brooklyn from Dallas.
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Please quote where he said his grandmothers racism was typical of white people of "her generation"
 
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dclxvinoise said:
There's a world of difference between free speech and inciting violence against others. The moment you advocate violence or killing of others, your free speech rights end. Turner should have been smart enough to know that. The man is a buffoon.
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He is an idiot! It's not illegal, being an idiot. He only spoke his mind.
Inciting violence would have been, his comments, along with the posting of those persons addresses! He said he would provide them, but they arrested him before he had a chance to. Who's to say if he really ever would have released the addresses? That would have completed what you say is inciting violence. I don't agree with the man, but
free speech is still free speech!
 
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dclxvinoise said:
Those views probably don't look as extreme from the perspective of a black person. Overall, I'm just saying that this is a non-issue as far as having ties to Hannity just as much as the Wright and Ayers stuff was with Obama, in my opinion.
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What black people are less offended by racism than whites? :confused:
 
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Nuevo2u said:
He is an idiot! It's not illegal, being an idiot. He only spoke his mind.
Inciting violence would have been, his comments, along with the posting of those persons addresses! He said he would provide them, but they arrested him before he had a chance to. Who's to say if he really ever would have released the addresses? That would have completed what you say is inciting violence. I don't agree with the man, but
free speech is still free speech!
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I disagree. There was a call to violence in his rant. Further, there was a clear threat woven in there and that, in and of itself, was criminal.

This isn't a free speech issue at all. This is an incitement of violence issue.
 
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Nuevo2u said:
He is an idiot! It's not illegal, being an idiot. He only spoke his mind.
Inciting violence would have been, his comments, along with the posting of those persons addresses! He said he would provide them, but they arrested him before he had a chance to. Who's to say if he really ever would have released the addresses? That would have completed what you say is inciting violence. I don't agree with the man, but
free speech is still free speech!
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It's illegal to incite violence, which is exactly what he did. And yes, encouraging people to perpetrate acts of violence against others is inciting violence. Free speech has nothing to do with it. You are the only person here who is arguing that he didn't incite violence.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
What black people are less offended by racism than whites? :confused:
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First of all you are assuming that black people and white people are on even playing ground as far as racism goes and they aren't. They never will be. Black people have had a much different history in this country than white people have had.
 
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dclxvinoise said:
First of all you are assuming that black people and white people are on even playing ground as far as racism goes and they aren't. They never will be. Black people have had a much different history in this country than white people have had.
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Hmm. I never owned slaves, the BJJ guy I was rollin with at lunch never was a slave. What more am I expected to entertain?


No actually all I can do is not entertain racist ideals, whether if its dealing with actual racists or feeling sorry for someone who is not the same skin color as me.


We have a black man in the whitehouse. How much more white guilt do you expect us to have? I don't have time for it.


Content of his character and all.

Tell me what's better for race relations. this white guilt thing you got going, and encouraging resentment, or my thinking?
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Please quote where he said his grandmothers racism was typical of white people of "her generation"
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Mmmmkay if you want to play this bs go for it.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
No actually all I can do is not entertain racist ideals, whether if its dealing with actual racists or feeling sorry for someone who is not the same skin color as me.
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I'm just saying that I understand that our perspectives are different. I'm not saying that it excuses his statements or his obviously racist views. As Tucker said, we have no idea how much he expressed said views. People go to church for spirituality, not because they agree with the pastor's particular brand of politics.

We have a black man in the whitehouse. How much more white guilt do you expect us to have? I don't have time for it.
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Well, I think it's silly to think that everything is aok because we have a black man in the whitehouse. Obviously racism will always exist.

Content of his character and all.
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Exactly, which is why I'm judging him on his job as President and not by who his friends and past associates are. It is a non-issue just like this guy's connections to Hannity are.

Tell me what's better for race relations. this white guilt thing you got going, and encouraging resentment, or my thinking?
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I don't have white guilt, but I'm also not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend that slavery and racial inequality didn't happen. I agree that we should move forward, but we should also be mindful of the past.
 
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dclxvinoise said:
I'm just saying that I understand that our perspectives are different. I'm not saying that it excuses his statements or his obviously racist views. As Tucker said, we have no idea how much he expressed said views. People go to church for spirituality, not because they agree with the pastor's particular brand of politics.
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If I knew my pastor said "god damn America" and all that nonsense. I'd walk.


Hannity "walked" when he discovered turners nature.


That's the difference. Obama didn't walk.


Well, I think it's silly to think that everything is aok because we have a black man in the whitehouse. Obviously racism will always exist.
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I think it's silly to view the world in a black vs white mentality. It has to end somewhere. I choose not to entertain it.


Exactly, which is why I'm judging him on his job as President and not by who his friends and past associates are. It is a non-issue just like this guy's connections to Hannity are.
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When I judge him on his job as president you all yell at me. :2razz:


I don't have white guilt, but I'm also not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend that slavery and racial inequality didn't happen. I agree that we should move forward, but we should also be mindful of the past.
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Why? are we at risk of bringing slavery back? It's history, time to get over it.
 
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danarhea said:
Radio host Hal Turner has been taken into custody and arrested for inciting violence after he blogged that Connecticut Catholics need to take up arms against 2 lawmakers and a state ethics official. Here is what Turner posted in his blog:

My question to everyone is the following: Where does free speech end and hate speech begin? The First Amendment is fine and dandy, but when you advocate killing, you have gone over the line, and your rights to free speech end right there.

Article is here.
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They say that free speech does not include yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. I'm guessing that the same applies to calling for violent criminal acts as well.

Also, even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that calling for violence is within one's free speech rights, I'd think that it would be prudent for the authorities to take some action to prevent the violence one is calling for. If the authorities aren't supposed to do that because of free speech rights, then all a bank robber would have to do before robbing the bank is announce publicly that the bank should be robbed, and then do his thing.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
If I knew my pastor said "god damn America" and all that nonsense. I'd walk.


Hannity "walked" when he discovered turners nature.


That's the difference. Obama didn't walk.
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Then by all means you and Hannity are by far such better people than Obama. :roll:

My point still stands that it's a non issue just as this is.

I think it's silly to view the world in a black vs white mentality. It has to end somewhere. I choose not to entertain it.
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Good for you.

When I judge him on his job as president you all yell at me. :2razz:
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Well, a lot of people are judging his entire job as President based on the short time that he's been in office. That isn't entirely fair. While there are a fair amount of legitimate issues about him, there are also a fair amount that are completely idiotic which are posted mainly by hyper-partisan hacks. I have no problem with legitimate complaints against the man. And the Wright and Ayers issues to me are completely idiotic. I judge a person by the content of their character and not their friends/associates.

Why? are we at risk of bringing slavery back? It's history, time to get over it.
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And that's exactly my point. It's incredibly easy for white people to say that considering that their origins in this country are far different. You may wish to bury your head in the sand about the past, but realize that not everyone chooses to do so.
 
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dclxvinoise said:
And that's exactly my point. It's incredibly easy for white people to say that considering that their origins in this country are far different. You may wish to bury your head in the sand about the past, but realize that not everyone chooses to do so.
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It's been 2 years and I still can't pronounce your handle.

Dixy clues...cycle noise....maybe it's in l33t...
 
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Jerry said:
It's been 2 years and I still can't pronounce your handle.
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It's impossible to pronounce. DCLXVI are roman numerals for 666, which is the name of my harsh noise/experimental music project, hence the "noise".

I actually have been thinking about changing my nickname for that very reason, though. :lol:
 
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dclxvinoise said:
It's impossible to pronounce. DCLXVI are roman numerals for 666, which is the name of my harsh noise/experimental music project, hence the "noise".

I actually have been thinking about changing my nickname for that very reason, though. :lol:
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Well if you do decide to, I think any mod can do it. If not, CC has Admin privs so he can.
 
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dclxvinoise said:
Then by all means you and Hannity are by far such better people than Obama. :roll:

My point still stands that it's a non issue just as this is.
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Of course I am, I am the Good Reverend. Can't speak for hannity. :rofl




Good for you.
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When you are the Good Reverend, it's ALWAYS "good for me".....



Well, a lot of people are judging his entire job as President based on the short time that he's been in office. That isn't entirely fair. While there are a fair amount of legitimate issues about him, there are also a fair amount that are completely idiotic which are posted mainly by hyper-partisan hacks. I have no problem with legitimate complaints against the man. And the Wright and Ayers issues to me are completely idiotic. I judge a person by the content of their character and not their friends/associates.
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The content of Obama's character is associating with these nardowell. ;)


You can see it in his pick of a racit for SCOTUS.


A pattern that I predicted long ago, is indeed emerging.



And that's exactly my point. It's incredibly easy for white people to say that considering that their origins in this country are far different. You may wish to bury your head in the sand about the past, but realize that not everyone chooses to do so.
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Don't you live in Montanna or something? What do you base ths opinion of yours on. Most of the black fellers I know, don't really dwell on who was a slave, and who was not a slave. They are just doing there thing like this white boy does.


Are there any former slaves still left alive? How many generations need to be victims of slavery to you? And why do you insist on making them victims?
 
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Jerry said:
It's been 2 years and I still can't pronounce your handle.

Dixy clues...cycle noise....maybe it's in l33t...
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Hell it's a pain to type it! :rofl
 
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Jerry said:
Well if you do decide to, I think any mod can do it. If not, CC has Admin privs so he can.
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Thanks man, I'll definitely keep that in mind. It's been driving me nuts for a while as well. :lol:
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Of course I am, I am the Good Reverend. Can't speak for hannity. :rofl
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Well, Hannity isn't the Good Reverend, so already he's at a disadvantage. :lol:

When you are the Good Reverend, it's ALWAYS "good for me".....
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That should be your sig quote!
The content of Obama's character is associating with these nardowell. ;)
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I disagree. I think that people can be friends and not necessarily agree on everything.

You can see it in his pick of a racit for SCOTUS.
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I don't agree with his pick either, but I still don't think that makes him a bad person.

A pattern that I predicted long ago, is indeed emerging.
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We shall see. I'm reserving my judgment.

Don't you live in Montanna or something? What do you base ths opinion of yours on. Most of the black fellers I know, don't really dwell on who was a slave, and who was not a slave. They are just doing there thing like this white boy does.
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Yes, I do live in Montana. And I'm not saying that black people dwell on it. Like I said, people shouldn't bury their heads in the sand and completely pretend it didn't happen. It was horrible, but it's too important to forget or erase.

Are there any former slaves still left alive? How many generations need to be victims of slavery to you? And why do you insist on making them victims?
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I don't consider being mindful of the past and never forgetting slavery to be a victim. Maybe that's just me though.
 
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