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Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting violence

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But not an exclusive one.

The only one with legally enforced slavery and segregation.;)
 
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Because saying "God Damn America" is not now nor should it ever be a crime.

They've said far worse, much along the lines of "inciting violence".
 
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They've said far worse, much along the lines of "inciting violence".

Would you care to provide some examples? I'm honestly curious.
 
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I think a lot of what Obama has said has been misunderstood or taken out of context. I don't think he's racist in any way. Wright, on the other hand, is. Just because Obama sat in church for 20 years listening to this man doesn't necessarily mean that he shares his views.

What other reason would he have for sitting in that church listening to that man's views?

One or two sermons--yeah, I'd agree with you. 20 years? No, that's agreement.

More instructively, I don't see where Hannity waited to bounce Turner from his show. Dear Leader waited until everyone was calling him on the carpet to throw first his grandmother then Wright under the bus.

If it was the right thing to do, it should have been done right away. If it was not the right thing to do, it should not have been done at all. In matters of right and wrong, delay is damnation.
 
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They've said far worse, much along the lines of "inciting violence".
I am aware of Farakhan calling Judaism a "gutter religion".

I am aware of Wright's odious polemics against the United States.

I am not aware of either saying "go forth and kill."

Turner said "go forth and kill" and then offered to provide the bullets.
 
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The only one with legally enforced slavery and segregation.;)

Really? You mean those black Africans who sold black African slaves all over the world werent legally enforcing slavery and segregation?
 
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What other reason would he have for sitting in that church listening to that man's views?
One or two sermons--yeah, I'd agree with you. 20 years? No, that's agreement.

People go to church for their own spiritual beliefs, not necessarily because they believe what one particular preacher's personal and political views are. I've listened to people I don't agree with plenty of times.

More instructively, I don't see where Hannity waited to bounce Turner from his show. Dear Leader waited until everyone was calling him on the carpet to throw first his grandmother then Wright under the bus.

If you want a serious rebuttal to your arguments it would probably help if you cut the Dear Leader crap. I honestly can't take you seriously when you do that.

If it was the right thing to do, it should have been done right away. If it was not the right thing to do, it should not have been done at all. In matters of right and wrong, delay is damnation.

I personally don't care when they cut ties with these people and how long it took them. The bottom line is that I think both are cases of opportunist hacks trying to tie someone they don't agree with to something bad. I don't think that they share views with these people in either case.
 
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Really? You mean those black Africans who sold black African slaves all over the world werent legally enforcing slavery and segregation?

Well America created the market for that.
 
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Uhmmm white people do have a long history of racism though.
That is only relevant if you are arguing that past racism necessitates future racism, and that the only cure for prejudice is more prejudice.

If the goal is overcoming all prejudice, your argument of necessity must fail.
 
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Really? You mean those black Africans who sold black African slaves all over the world werent legally enforcing slavery and segregation?

Talk about grasping at straws. :roll:

That's a drop in the bucket compared to black slavery in regards to the white culture in this country.
 
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I am aware of Farakhan calling Judaism a "gutter religion".

I am aware of Wright's odious polemics against the United States.

I am not aware of either saying "go forth and kill."

Turner said "go forth and kill" and then offered to provide the bullets.

Yeah, there is a huge difference.

Farakhan and Wright, though terrible and worthless to say what they said, doesnt fit in the same league as what this Turner guy said.

Had Wright or Farkhan told folks to go forth and take up arms and kill folks, then that would be a different story.

It may come from the same roots, but 1 is most certainly going into the realm of instigating violence on another human being, as compared to just saying "God damn America" isnt instigating violence on folks.

This is coming from someone who doesnt like Wright or Farakhan, but the difference b/w what they said and what Turner said are not the same thing.
 
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People go to church for their own spiritual beliefs, not necessarily because they believe what one particular preacher's personal and political views are. I've listened to people I don't agree with plenty of times.

I'm a member of a Church where Bush is a member as well and the head minister certainly is enamored with Bush. I'm certain most around here would agree that I deeply disagree with Bush's views and consequently disagree with the head ministers POV as well by default.
 
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Well America created the market for that.

We did? I kind of thought Portugal, Spain, etc, etc were all over that one too.

Or are we gonna go with the public school version of this?
 
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That is only relevant if you are arguing that past racism necessitates future racism, and that the only cure for prejudice is more prejudice.

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No that is not what I'm arguing. I'm just poiting out that for an action there is a reaction.
 
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People go to church for their own spiritual beliefs, not necessarily because they believe what one particular preacher's personal and political views are. I've listened to people I don't agree with plenty of times.
People do go to church for their own spiritual beliefs.

People go to a specific church because it comports with those spiritual beliefs.

Would you listen to sermons for 20 years espousing beliefs you rejected? Have you counted as a close spiritual adviser for two decades someone whose beliefs you rejected? If yes, then further discussion is pointless. If no, then your personal history is not germane to the point.
 
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We did? I kind of thought Portugal, Spain, etc, etc were all over that one too.

Or are we gonna go with the public school version of this?

A lot of hands were dirty. The fact is is the market was here in America.
 
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Talk about grasping at straws. :roll:

That's a drop in the bucket compared to black slavery in regards to the white culture in this country.

Why is that grasping at straws?

Did black Africans not sell their own to foreign countries as slaves? If so, are they not as culpable for slavery as any other person or nation?

It takes 2 to tango my friend.
 
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People do go to church for their own spiritual beliefs.

People go to a specific church because it comports with those spiritual beliefs.

Would you listen to sermons for 20 years espousing beliefs you rejected? Have you counted as a close spiritual adviser for two decades someone whose beliefs you rejected? If yes, then further discussion is pointless. If no, then your personal history is not germane to the point.

We are talking about his political and racial beliefs here, not his religious views. Just because I don't agree with someone in those areas doesn't mean that we wouldn't agree on a spiritual level if we had the same religious beliefs. Though, it would really be difficult to gauge as I only went to church for a very short period of time when I was young.
 
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Just for the record, I did not want to use the headline tying Hannity to Turner. However, I also had to follow BN guidelines.

Having said that, let me state that Hannity and Turner were friends for many years. Whether Hannity broke off with Turner because he was afraid it would hurt his career, or whether he did it because of a change of heart, is something that neither you nor I can state with a certainty. At this point, I will take Hannity at his word that he does not now share the same views as Turner.
 
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I'm a member of a Church where Bush is a member as well and the head minister certainly is enamored with Bush. I'm certain most around here would agree that I deeply disagree with Bush's views and consequently disagree with the head ministers POV as well by default.
There's a bit of a qualitative difference between disagreeing about politics and disagreeing about the propriety of hatred, prejudice, and anger.
 
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Why is that grasping at straws?

Did black Africans not sell their own to foreign countries as slaves? If so, are they not as culpable for slavery as any other person or nation?

It takes 2 to tango my friend.

I'm not saying that they didn't, but to try and use that as a counter balance to 400 years of slavery is a joke.
 
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A lot of hands were dirty.

No, no, no that is not what you said. You said specifically that America was the market for this until I brought up that there were plenty of other countries in on it too.

The fact is is the market was here in America.

No, the facts are, that there was a market here in America, but we werent the only market, which is what you are trying to imply was the only market, which is false.
 
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I'm not saying that they didn't, but to try and use that as a counter balance to 400 years of slavery is a joke.

400 years of slavery where? America hasnt been around for 400 years, yet we got 1 poster here claiming America was the only market for slaves.

So which fictional use of history are going to explore today?
 
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We are talking about his political and racial beliefs here, not his religious views. Just because I don't agree with someone in those areas doesn't mean that we wouldn't agree on a spiritual level if we had the same religious beliefs. Though, it would really be difficult to gauge as I only went to church for a very short period of time when I was young.
I am of the opinion that there is less separating political, racial, and spiritual beliefs than you suggest. There is a reason the most potent moral voices impacting the political landscape of this country have been members of the clergy.
 
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There's a bit of a qualitative difference between disagreeing about politics and disagreeing about the propriety of hatred, prejudice, and anger.

I can count our black members on one hand. I can tell you anecdotely about some of the racist comments I have heard in that church. I'm a member in name only because three generations of my family have been there.
 
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