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    Re: Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting viole

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Rallying people to protest is one thing. Rallying people to kill others simply because you don't agree with their politics or whatever is another. This guy is an extremist idiot and deserves to be locked up. When you advocate violence and even death against others you go outside the realms of free speech.
    Turner is scum nothing more, him and his thugs were in my area a few years back when a fight broke out in one of the high schools between a black kid and a white kid. The black kid won and both students were suspended but the white kids mother had a contact with a local neo-nazi group who had contacts with Turner.
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    Re: Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting viole

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well given the laws we have it depends on what group the "inciting violence" upon is.

    If a group of KKK members tell their people to go out and kill blacks, indeed it is hate speech.
    Meh. Its just speech. The keyword is kill which is a crime period. There is no need for it to have a special type of distinction. Murder is murder regardless of the motivation behind it. To label it a hate crime speaks to the thinking behind it and we dont have mindreaders yet.




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    Re: Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting viole

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Meh. Its just speech. The keyword is kill which is a crime period. There is no need for it to have a special type of distinction. Murder is murder regardless of the motivation behind it. To label it a hate crime speaks to the thinking behind it and we dont have mindreaders yet.




    All we have to go on is actions.
    I agree, hate speech laws are illegal in the US and should remain that way. Hate crime laws should be illegal too because it just turns a group of people into a protected class. I don't think there should be any incitement laws either. Incitement and hate speech laws would mean the man who drew those Mohamed cartoons would be arrested for hate speech and inciting muslims to act like animals.
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    Re: Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting viole

    How does that no support my assertion that hate speech is not legal in the US?[/QUOTE]

    That should have been "How does that no support my assertion that hate speech laws is not legal in the US?"
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting viole

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    It's illegal to incite violence, which is exactly what he did. And yes, encouraging people to perpetrate acts of violence against others is inciting violence. Free speech has nothing to do with it. You are the only person here who is arguing that he didn't incite violence.
    The question was, Where does free speech end and hate speech begin?
    Free speech does not end. Ever!
    You can put the man in jail, but he is still entitled to his opinion and freedom to speak it.

    There's a fine line between his words and actually inciting violence. ie; providing information or resources for someone to carry out his ideas. You cannot have me arrested for threatening to beat you up or even asking my big brother to do so. (inciting violence?) The act has to be committed.
    The man was talking hateful trash, but they arrested him without committing a crime. The man did not say go commit the crime, he spoke in general terms, as if it could be committed. Just like everyone of us have heard at some point in our lives You're dead, I'm going kill you, him or whomever.
    I do not agree or support this man or what he said my arguement is Free speech should
    never be taken away from anyone.

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    Re: Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting viole

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuevo2u View Post
    The question was, Where does free speech end and hate speech begin?
    Free speech does not end. Ever!
    Except where that speech begins conspiring to commit crime. Incitement of violence is not free speech.

    You can put the man in jail, but he is still entitled to his opinion and freedom to speak it.
    This was not an opinion. It was a call to arms against specific people.

    There's a fine line between his words and actually inciting violence. ie; providing information or resources for someone to carry out his ideas.
    He offered the bullets and named names.

    You cannot have me arrested for threatening to beat you up or even asking my big brother to do so. (inciting violence?)
    I call bull****. There are charges of uttering threats, verbal assault, issuing written threats, etc. Yes, I can have a you arrested for threatening to beat me up and I can have you arrested for asking your big brother to do so, also. It's called conspiracy.

    The act has to be committed.
    No, it does not.

    The man was talking hateful trash, but they arrested him without committing a crime. The man did not say go commit the crime, he spoke in general terms, as if it could be committed. Just like everyone of us have heard at some point in our lives You're dead, I'm going kill you, him or whomever.
    I do not agree or support this man or what he said my arguement is Free speech should
    never be taken away from anyone.
    Uttering threats is not free speech. Period.

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    Re: Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting viole

    Apparently you did not read the article.
    It was not incitement, he did not "tell" people to do it.
    He did not "call" people to arms, he expressed his opinion.
    He did not "offer" bullets, but he did mention names.
    It's not conspiracy, it was one (1) mans opinion.
    The last two you mention is just your opinion.

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    Re: Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting viole

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuevo2u View Post
    Apparently you did not read the article.
    Apparently, you think this qualifies as debate but it doesn't.

    The article says the same thing for me that it does for you. The facts are the same for me, you, and the judicial system that issued the warrant.

    You simply don't understand the law. Uttering threats and communicating threats through written word are both crimes. Get over it or write your congressman about it.

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    Re: Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting viole

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Well, Hannity isn't the Good Reverend, so already he's at a disadvantage.



    That should be your sig quote!

    I thanked your quote for the tribute that was paid to the Good Reverend's Greatness!



    I disagree. I think that people can be friends and not necessarily agree on everything.

    Of course they can. This to me however goes a bit further than that.






    I don't agree with his pick either, but I still don't think that makes him a bad person.

    What's this I am hearing, she is pro-life?





    We shall see. I'm reserving my judgment.

    one, two, three, four, how many examples do you need to judge?




    Yes, I do live in Montana. And I'm not saying that black people dwell on it. Like I said, people shouldn't bury their heads in the sand and completely pretend it didn't happen. It was horrible, but it's too important to forget or erase.


    I held no slaves. I know no slaves. And the black folk I know and am friends with, weren't slaves either. Hell, I really didn't even think of them as "black people", people are people to me....

    to your position. They have no standing to be mad at me any more than I have standing to be mad at the British, for An Gorta Mór. Should I hold the brits for "40 acres and a mule" because my family escaped An Gorta Mór because they prohibited irish from land ownership during An Drochshaol? (that's the potato famine, if you don't speak Gaelic.)


    I don't think so. it makes little sense to me.






    I don't consider being mindful of the past and never forgetting slavery to be a victim. Maybe that's just me though.


    Two different things. Remembering the past, sure, absolutley. using it as a crutch? fomenting hatred.
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    Re: Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting viole

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Nothing. But it's fun connecting Republicans/Conservatives who espouse fear and hatred with one of their own even if he/she doesn't speak as loud and venomously as his/her contemporaries.




    Are you auditioning for one of dclxvinoise's noise projects?


    I.e. huh?
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