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    McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    McCain makes speech on Senate floor endorsing a tougher stance on Iran and North Korea and calling for a nuclear-free world. Is that even possible... to have a nuclear-free world? And even if it was, why is it America's right to assert rules banning atom bombs on other soverign nations when America herself has nukes.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    I'm ok with us having nukes and no one else having them.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    McCain makes speech on Senate floor endorsing a tougher stance on Iran and North Korea and calling for a nuclear-free world. Is that even possible... to have a nuclear-free world? And even if it was, why is it America's right to assert rules banning atom bombs on other soverign nations when America herself has nukes.

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    Realpolitik. Pax Americana.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Realpolitik. Pax Americana.
    So might makes right?

    The hardpower fan boys (and there are plenty here) should support Obama's plan. Kissinger has argued for a nuclear free world because it eliminates nuclear deterrence in conventional war. Meaning, US conventional forces are effectively free to do whatever they want.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So might makes right?
    In this instance yes. Our might to prevent rogue states from obtaining the bomb and sparking an arms race in the most volatile region in the world is right.

    The hardpower fan boys (and there are plenty here) should support Obama's plan. Kissinger has argued for a nuclear free world because it eliminates nuclear deterrence in conventional war. Meaning, US conventional forces are effectively free to do whatever they want.
    Good luck getting the nuclear genie back in the bottle. I'm sure that once we disarm terror states will follow suit.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    In this instance yes. Our might to prevent rogue states from obtaining the bomb and sparking an arms race in the most volatile region in the world is right.
    This sets a dangerous precedent. Are you willing to live in the future where another country's might defines the rules?

    Good luck getting the nuclear genie back in the bottle. I'm sure that once we disarm terror states will follow suit.
    Tell me, how is a terrorist or terror state going to make a weapon without the necessary elements? No fuel = No bomb.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    why is it America's right to assert rules banning atom bombs on other soverign nations when America herself has nukes.
    Its been that way since a spiked club was the nuke of the day and age.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This sets a dangerous precedent. Are you willing to live in the future where another country's might defines the rules?



    Tell me, how is a terrorist or terror state going to make a weapon without the necessary elements? No fuel = No bomb.
    The material is already out there. The knowledge is already out there. And trust me, the desire is all over the world. I think I would rather have nuclear proliferation at the fore of the world's politics where it can be scrutinized constantly rather than setting it aside and trusting to the Imademontard and Kim Jong Shrill's of the world to just agree to play by the same rules as the civilized world.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This sets a dangerous precedent. Are you willing to live in the future where another country's might defines the rules?
    A dangerous precedent? "Nukes for everybody" sounds a lot more dangerous to me.

    Tell me, how is a terrorist or terror state going to make a weapon without the necessary elements? No fuel = No bomb.
    Iran is making the fuel, they are making the delivery systems, the only thing they aren't working on is the actual warhead, plans for which can be found on the internet or at your local library.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Tell me, how is a terrorist or terror state going to make a weapon without the necessary elements? No fuel = No bomb.
    You know how many nuclear reactors in the U.S. we have right? Same with France and many other countries.

    There will ALWAYS be fuel and the means to refine it. The biggest problem IMO is places like Pakistan which are under threat from Islamic terrorists, and Russia because of their Lax accountability with their fuel.

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