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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    Nice post... but might ruling over right started way before the Roman Empire. And that analysis really only concentrates on the EuroAsian part of the world. Your excluding since exterminated peoples and cultures like the Incas, Nubians, and the laughably still existent North American Indigenous peoples. None of these people ruled with "might" instead of "right". So is it really inevitable to have one dominant force in the world? Cultures do change... could the West not learn from these people?

    Again, I am just raising questions for the hell of it. Sorry if its unorganized and not articulated well but I need to go

    About the Native Americans... many tribes were very warlike. Typically territories were dominated by the aggressive use of force. The limitations imposed by a Stone Age technology and subsistence lifestyle made a singular empire improbable...but force still ruled the day.

    Hm, note that I said "since BEFORE the Roman Empire". I was also thinking of the Persians, Babylonians and Assyrians, not to mention the Chinese Empire and so on.

    As for humanity learning better, its a nice dream but unlikely.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    I think if we have nukes everyone should have them. It is the way that it should be. Who did we think we are to tell others what they may do and not do.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I think if we have nukes everyone should have them. It is the way that it should be. Who did we think we are to tell others what they may do and not do.
    I find great irony that you feel nobody should have guns, but every country should have nukes. Please explain.......
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    About the Native Americans... many tribes were very warlike. Typically territories were dominated by the aggressive use of force. The limitations imposed by a Stone Age technology and subsistence lifestyle made a singular empire improbable...but force still ruled the day.

    Hm, note that I said "since BEFORE the Roman Empire". I was also thinking of the Persians, Babylonians and Assyrians, not to mention the Chinese Empire and so on.

    As for humanity learning better, its a nice dream but unlikely.

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    Many tribes were warlike but there wasn't really domination of one tribe over another as you or me would think of it. That is why Indigenous Americans suffered so terribly when Europeans discovered the continent(besides disease). They would make empty agreements with Europeans and trade huge swaths of land for useless things like beads... they had no concept of land ownership or the domination of one people over another. War to them was an honorable engagement between tribes about a family feud, hunting ground, and so on. No tribe would conquer another and impose their will onto them.

    The Iroquis managed a rather large union through morality and not force. Look up the Iroquis constitution and see what their union was based upon.

    Anyway, the truth is that Native Americans were living in the stone age... because of several reasons I won't get into(Check out Guns, Germs, and Steel) but there culture was developing much differently than our own. Maybe it would've ended up being a war mongering and empire-building culture like the West became, but there is no way to know for sure. As for the Nubians, they were completely capable of conquering weaker neighbors but chose not to.

    And why is it not China conqering these lands instead of Britain, France, and Spain? Check out Carnage and Culture and Culture and Race. Great books about culture, how it develops, and how central it is to a society
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