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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That has always been the precedent
    There is no need to reinforce it. I don't know about you, but I know for a fact that every power in control eventually loses control and loses its capacity to enforce the framework it wants. Eventually that will happen to us. Now, unlike other people here, I'm not comfortable with countries like Russia or the PRC running the show. Thus, we should break the precedent. Those with foresight seek to alleviate and mitigate the problems they know are coming. Those who can't see past their bellies don't and only think of today.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So you have no problem living in a world were the rules are set by the PRC?

    RTFQ for a change.
    Yes I would have a problem living in a world where the rules are set by the PRC, however, if one of those rules was no nukes for Iran or other terror states, I would support it.

    Hence why we need to patch up the NPT's enrichment fuel leak. No fuel again = No Bomb.
    Iran doesn't care about the NPT why would putting some more words to paper thwart Iranian nuclear ambitions?

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    There is no need to reinforce it. I don't know about you, but I know for a fact that every power in control eventually loses control and loses its capacity to enforce the framework it wants. Eventually that will happen to us. Now, unlike other people here, I'm not comfortable with countries like Russia or the PRC running the show. Thus, we should break the precedent. Those with foresight seek to alleviate and mitigate the problems they know are coming. Those who can't see past their bellies don't and only think of today.
    How would allowing Iran to get nuclear weapons help thwart Chinese or Russian ambitions for global hegemony? Do you really think oligarchies and dictatorships will follow our example when the time comes?

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Atleast Russia because nukes are costly to maintain and keep up the security. That it's really no need for Russia and USA to have thousands of nukes. That no country would say hey let's attack Russia and USA because they only have a couple of hundreds of nukes. Also nukes is so old school, that it's other things then having the most nukes that makes you the coolest kid on the international block.

    So that would be a good start for USA and Russia to drasticly decrease their numbers of nukes. That would also give them more credibility in dealing with other countries with nukes. That a nuclear free world is of course a very far away vision, but a lot can be done to decrease the numbers of nukes and the threat they pose.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Without nuclear bombs America would be crushed like a grape in a barrel. Rhode Island has a bigger armed force than America does. Remove our threat to annhilate any that threaten to destroy us and they will simply destroy us. Add the hideous over extension of our current forces to the hideous movement to turn in all civilian owned weapons and ask how do we defend ourselves? We need to resinstate the military draft in some capacity. Granted today's military is too sophisticated for an old fashion draft but there are many ways to defend old glory. A "nuclear free world" - shut the $%$#& up!
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    I dont think its possible or maybe not even desirable.It could results in massive unstoppable stalemate wars.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This sets a dangerous precedent. Are you willing to live in the future where another country's might defines the rules?



    Tell me, how is a terrorist or terror state going to make a weapon without the necessary elements? No fuel = No bomb.
    Spent fuel is not a problem, it is self controlling. Take it out of its storage location, open the cask, and you die....

    The first part of controlling the spread of nuclear weapons is to control the ability to process/enrich. Small countries don't need to process/enrich their own fuel, it is for sale. The govt of Iran is playing a deadly game, as is North Korea.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    as for McCain, Obama, etc.

    hasn't every president, or presidential hopeful, over the last 40 years called for at least a reduction in nuclear weapons?

    sounds like political posturing to me.....nothing will come of it.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That has always been the precedent; the nation with the most combined military and economic power dominates the rest of the world. Been that way since before the Roman Empire. It is only in modern times that people have even seriously conceived of the world being any other way.... and frankly that is a pipe dream.

    Tubub, it's nothing to do with us having the 'right', just do we have the 'might' (and the political will).

    Might has always ruled... and it has been rare than anyone even tried to put "right" into their "might". To our credit the US does try to put some "right" into their "might", which is more than most other world powers have ever done, the Brit Empire possibly excepted.

    The world is like that. Put aside arguments of moral equivalency and just ask who you want running things, us or someone else? 'Cuz those are the choices.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That has always been the precedent; the nation with the most combined military and economic power dominates the rest of the world. Been that way since before the Roman Empire. It is only in modern times that people have even seriously conceived of the world being any other way.... and frankly that is a pipe dream.

    Tubub, it's nothing to do with us having the 'right', just do we have the 'might' (and the political will).

    Might has always ruled... and it has been rare than anyone even tried to put "right" into their "might". To our credit the US does try to put some "right" into their "might", which is more than most other world powers have ever done, the Brit Empire possibly excepted.

    The world is like that. Put aside arguments of moral equivalency and just ask who you want running things, us or someone else? 'Cuz those are the choices.

    G.
    Nice post... but might ruling over right started way before the Roman Empire. And that analysis really only concentrates on the EuroAsian part of the world. Your excluding since exterminated peoples and cultures like the Incas, Nubians, and the laughably still existent North American Indigenous peoples. None of these people ruled with "might" instead of "right". So is it really inevitable to have one dominant force in the world? Cultures do change... could the West not learn from these people?

    Again, I am just raising questions for the hell of it. Sorry if its unorganized and not articulated well but I need to go
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