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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Is that even possible... to have a nuclear-free world? And even if it was, why is it America's right to assert rules banning atom bombs on other soverign nations when America herself has nukes.
    No..it not possible.
    ...but saying it would be nice is easy politics for virtually any politician on the planet. McCain knows nukes aren't going anywhere.
    If Obama starts trying to unilaterally monkey with the US nuclear stockpile McCain will be right there to say No.

    IMO while a nuclear world in some future may/likely will have a major power war with nukes..a non-nuclear would have had a few more then 2 WW's by now.


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    America has the same -right- as any other nation state on this planet to assert its views.

    -right- is only applicable if you assume that international law is actually some legal binding thing and not simply a written down set of beliefs applied during a particular time in History.
    Now if you do take International Law to be deified as THE LAW Judge Dredd style...this is a United Nations Banning.
    The USA is asserting the very standard that gives the USA the so called right to say "you can't have nukes"


    He who has the most "______" wins.
    That is the only rule on this dog eat dog planet.
    You lose the game of nation states you lose hard....lotta ruins around to remind people of the costs of the overall game.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Would be nice if there could be a nuclear free world.

    Would have been nice if Pandora could have closed the box.

    Reality is sometimes not nice.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    McCain makes speech on Senate floor endorsing a tougher stance on Iran and North Korea and calling for a nuclear-free world. Is that even possible... to have a nuclear-free world? And even if it was, why is it America's right to assert rules banning atom bombs on other soverign nations when America herself has nukes.

    McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world' - Yahoo! News
    Because our nukes kick ass and they fly over water... and stuff...

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    "I agree with Obama" was McCain's campaign, wasn't it?

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    I'd prefer it, Those things are world enders. The serve nobody any good. Let warriors fight it out. Leave the civilians out of it.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This sets a dangerous precedent. Are you willing to live in the future where another country's might defines the rules?
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    That has always been the precedent; the nation with the most combined military and economic power dominates the rest of the world. Been that way since before the Roman Empire. It is only in modern times that people have even seriously conceived of the world being any other way.... and frankly that is a pipe dream.

    Tubub, it's nothing to do with us having the 'right', just do we have the 'might' (and the political will).

    Might has always ruled... and it has been rare than anyone even tried to put "right" into their "might". To our credit the US does try to put some "right" into their "might", which is more than most other world powers have ever done, the Brit Empire possibly excepted.

    The world is like that. Put aside arguments of moral equivalency and just ask who you want running things, us or someone else? 'Cuz those are the choices.

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm ok with us having nukes and no one else having them.
    Yeah I'm down with that.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The material is already out there.
    But it does not need to stay out there. The Nunn-Lugar CTR seeks to secure such sources of fuel to prevent them from falling into the hands of terrorists. No fuel = No Bomb.

    The knowledge is already out there. And trust me, the desire is all over the world.
    This is more of the genie than anything else. But even still, what good is that knowledge when you can't get access to raw materials? And terrorists do not have the resources to build a breeder reactor, making it even easier to ensure that NSA characters do not acquire critical masses. States a bit harder to manage, but that can be alleviated as well.

    I think I would rather have nuclear proliferation at the fore of the world's politics where it can be scrutinized constantly rather than setting it aside and trusting to the Imademontard and Kim Jong Shrill's of the world to just agree to play by the same rules as the civilized world.
    You realize we can have a nuclear weapons free world while still having civilian nuclear power? Just because some players seek to ignore the rules does not mean we have to let them ignore the rules.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    A dangerous precedent? "Nukes for everybody" sounds a lot more dangerous to me.
    So you have no problem living in a world were the rules are set by the PRC?

    RTFQ for a change.

    Iran is making the fuel, they are making the delivery systems, the only thing they aren't working on is the actual warhead, plans for which can be found on the internet or at your local library.
    Hence why we need to patch up the NPT's enrichment fuel leak. No fuel again = No Bomb.
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    Re: McCain joins Obama's call for 'nuclear-free world'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There will ALWAYS be fuel and the means to refine it.
    But that fuel and means to refine it can always be controlled. Furthermore, new technology such as one type of theoretical thorium reactors can reduce waste to 1% of its current volume while producing energy. The waste problem can be dealt with.

    The biggest problem IMO is places like Pakistan which are under threat from Islamic terrorists, and Russia because of their Lax accountability with their fuel.
    Which obviously needs to be fixed. The nuclear export regime also needs to be tightened up. But IMO this is far easier then trying to fix the aftermath of a nuclear war or terrorist nuclear attack.

    The fundamental principle of nuclear arms control is about materials control. As long as we can control the materials that go into weapons, a nuclear free world is indeed possible.
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