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Six: New Hampshire will legalize same sex marriage

Jerry said:
If it's non of your business then why did you make this thread?
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There is a huge difference between stating my opinion and actively working to deprive someone of his or her Constitutional rights. And, of course, there was an inference in my post which is hard to miss, although you did. It is none of YOUR damn business either if gays choose to marry.
 
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danarhea said:
There is a huge difference between stating my opinion and actively working to deprive someone of his or her Constitutional rights. And, of course, there was an inference in my post which is hard to miss, although you did. It is none of YOUR damn business either if gays choose to marry.
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There I was, minding my own business, oppressing no one, and suddenly you make this thread and pops up on the 'new posts' page.

You came to me.

It's my business now, you just made it my business by putting it in my face with this thread, so where shall we begin?
 
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Jerry said:
There I was, minding my own business, oppressing no one, and suddenly you make this thread and pops up on the 'new posts' page.

You came to me.

It's my business now, you just made it my business by putting it in my face with this thread, so where shall we begin?
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You had a choice. You didn't have to read the thread. yet you did.

But you do ask where we shall begin, so let me begin by asking you a riddle. Please humor me here, and the reason I am asking this riddle will be made apparent in my next post.

Why has the Texas Constitution been amended thousands of times, in fact, so many times that there are dozens of thick volumes on only the amendments to the Texas Constitution, yet the United States Constitution has been amended less than 30 times in more than two centuries, and takes up only a few pages?

I will tie this to the issue before us shortly.
 
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Baralis said:
I am just curious if any of the states that allow same sex marriage had a drop in tax revenue? I am wondering how many people use it to gain tax breaks.
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What does that matter? How many straight people get married for tax breaks?
 
danarhea said:
You had a choice. You didn't have to read the thread. yet you did.
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I thought you supported choice?

You gave me one, and I made one, but now you want to blast me for the choice I made.

You sound pretty anti-choice atm, which seems contrary to your opinion on gay-marriage.

danarhea said:
But you do ask where we shall begin, so let me begin by asking you a riddle. Please humor me here, and the reason I am asking this riddle will be made apparent in my next post.

Why has the Texas Constitution been amended thousands of times, in fact, so many times that there are dozens of thick volumes on only the amendments to the Texas Constitution, yet the United States Constitution has been amended less than 30 times in more than two centuries, and takes up only a few pages?

I will tie this to the issue before us shortly.
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Sure I'll humor you: I have no idea.
 
Jesus Christ, danarhea, I don't have all evening ;)
 
Jerry said:
I thought you supported choice?

You gave me one, and I made one, but now you want to blast me for the choice I made.

You sound pretty anti-choice atm, which seems contrary to your opinion on gay-marriage.



Sure I'll humor you: I have no idea.
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1) All you saw was the breaking news item with no opinion. You didn't have to open the thread to see if there was an opinion and what it might be, but you did. That was your choice. I did not put a gun to your head and make you click the link. Then you accuse me of shoving it down your throat. When I bring up the fact that you didn't have to click the link if you didn't want to, you then accuse me of blasting you for clicking the link. Looks to me like you are attempting to start a flame war with me, but I am not going to take the bait. YOU WIN.


2) On the riddle I posed, the difference between the Texas Constitution and the US Constitution is, while all the amendments in the Texas Constitution spell out what government can do, the US Constitution, in its simplistic beauty, has a Bill of Rights that mostly spells out what government can NOT do. And then, in one sweeping statement, it says, in the 10th Amendment, that all rights not expressly given to the government in the Constitution belong to the states.

In this context, you can not find ANYTHING in the US Constitution that says marriage must be between a man and a woman. Therefore, it is up to each individual state to decide for itself. Thus, if New Hampshire wants to legalize gay marriage, it is not the business of anyone in Mississippi, Virginia, Florida, Texas, etc, and especially not the business of the Federal government (unless an amendment is passed - Good luck with that). As a Texan, I do not have the right to tell people in New Hampshire that they cannot marry whoever they see fit. Feel free to comment on it, as I am also commenting on it. That is your right. But it is none of your business should you attempt to force your belief on New Hampshire in order to get them to change their law. It is THEIR law. Not yours. Not mine. THEIRS.
One exception - An amendment to the Constitution. Like I said earlier, good luck with that.
 
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Jerry said:
You misspelled "penalties".
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Yes and no. The marriage tax penalty is not always assured. Furthermore, marriage does provide a great many tax benefits that single does not. For instance, if you die, you can give everything you own to your spouse tax free. I have a professor who joked about being a serial marrier as a way to get rich and to ensure that one never ever pays estate tax in your family.
 
danarhea said:
2) On the riddle I posed, the difference between the Texas Constitution and the US Constitution is, while all the amendments in the Texas Constitution spell out what government can do, the US Constitution, in its simplistic beauty, has a Bill of Rights that mostly spells out what government can NOT do. And then, in one sweeping statement, it says, in the 10th Amendment, that all rights not expressly given to the government in the Constitution belong to the states.

In this context, you can not find ANYTHING in the US Constitution that says marriage must be between a man and a woman. Therefore, it is up to each individual state to decide for itself. Thus, if New Hampshire wants to legalize gay marriage, it is not the business of anyone in Mississippi, Virginia, Florida, Texas, etc, and especially not the business of the Federal government (unless an amendment is passed - Good luck with that). As a Texan, I do not have the right to tell people in New Hampshire that they cannot marry whoever they see fit. Feel free to comment on it, as I am also commenting on it. That is your right. But it is none of your business should you attempt to force your belief on New Hampshire in order to get them to change their law. It is THEIR law. Not yours. Not mine. THEIRS.
One exception - An amendment to the Constitution. Like I said earlier, good luck with that.
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Do you live in NH?
 
No, you don't live in NH, therefore per your OP this is non of your business either.

So, if you can post about it, I can post about it too :2razz:
 
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Jerry said:
No, you don't live in NH, therefore per your OP this is non of your business either.

So, if you can post about it, I can post about it too :2razz:
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I think his position was qualified in such a manner as to make your last two posts unnecessary

it is none of your business should you attempt to force your belief on New Hampshire in order to get them to change their law.
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danarhea said:
You had a choice. You didn't have to read the thread. yet you did.

But you do ask where we shall begin, so let me begin by asking you a riddle. Please humor me here, and the reason I am asking this riddle will be made apparent in my next post.

Why has the Texas Constitution been amended thousands of times, in fact, so many times that there are dozens of thick volumes on only the amendments to the Texas Constitution, yet the United States Constitution has been amended less than 30 times in more than two centuries, and takes up only a few pages?

I will tie this to the issue before us shortly.
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Can you at least amend the question to "Why has the Texas Constitution been amended 456 times since 1876"?
 
jallman said:
Good for them. I hope more protests break out against those who would demand that the government bar citizens from equal access to and enjoyment of an institution and the added benefits and rights it grants.
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Ahh so it has nothing to do with love or devotion but its about ganking more cash out of the US government/Taxpayer.

That makes much more sense now.

Now is a great time for it.
 
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jallman said:
Why? His question was posed in a perfectly legitimate way. :shrug:
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Because the Texas Constitution has been amended a total of 456 times since 1876. That's not "thousands".

Yeah, today I'm in touch with my inner pedant.
 
akyron said:
Ahh so it has nothing to do with love or devotion but its about ganking more cash out of the US government.

That makes much more sense now.

Now is a great time for it.
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Your obtuse attempt to reframe the issue into some kind of bogey man is not going to fly with me, chuckles.

It is about equality and being treated fairly by your government. It is about the disapproval of the mob not having any ability to force their restrictions to a government institution on me.

Block the ****ing streets daily if it has to be done. I'm tired of playing civil.
 
celticlord said:
Because the Texas Constitution has been amended a total of 456 times since 1876. That's not "thousands".

Yeah, today I'm in touch with my inner pedant.
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I'm just saying 456 compared to 30 or a couple thousand compared to 30...same difference. :2wave:
 
jallman said:
Your obtuse attempt to reframe the issue into some kind of bogey man is not going to fly with me, chuckles.

It is about equality and being treated fairly by your government. It is about the disapproval of the mob not having any ability to force their restrictions to a government institution on me.

Block the ****ing streets daily if it has to be done. I'm tired of playing civil.
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Get over it. You cannot depend on other people to define you. No one can give you freedom or rights. Anyone of age can "get married" any time they please.

What you can take/get from other people is money though. That is what this is about.

I would rather remove tax/insurance credits for married people period than add another 30,382,464 people with their hands out.
 
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celticlord said:
Because the Texas Constitution has been amended a total of 456 times since 1876. That's not "thousands".

Yeah, today I'm in touch with my inner pedant.
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So how long have you been anal retentive?
 
akyron said:
Get over it.
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You get over it. I might stop caring about the issue when you do.

You cannot depend on other people to define you.
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That's not what's happening here at all despite your need to obtusely redefine it as such.

No one can give you freedom or rights.
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No, but the government can restrict them.

Anyone of age can "get married" any time they please.
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That's not what this is about either.

What you can take/get from other people is money though. That is what this is about.
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What homo is digging through your purse to take your money by getting married with the same government recognition that you have? Please tell me exactly what money you are giving up when Adam and Steve get a marriage license from the state? This should be entertaining.

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celticlord said:
Never have been.

Freud was a joke.
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Details, and the term has a more modern, colloquial use.

Look at it this way, being anal retentive is better than the opposite.

Oh, and the great thing about spell checkers is I can actually use words like colloquial since I don't have to worry about how to spell them.
 
jallman said:
You get over it. I might stop caring about the issue when you do.:
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Geez. I dont either. It was on top of the pile and I was bored. Its a non-issue to me.


jallman said:
That's not what's happening here at all despite your need to obtusely redefine it as such.
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You really like that word.

jallman said:
No, but the government can restrict them.
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How exactly do you feel restricted? Ropes? A gag? Gitmo attire? A gang of nuns tackling you as you attempt to vow undying devotion...(nevermind you can do that anywhere)


jallman said:
What homo is digging through your purse to take your money by getting married with the same government recognition that you have? Please tell me exactly what money you are giving up when Adam and Steve get a marriage license from the state? This should be entertaining.
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I dont believe married people should get any taxpayer money period.

Just because I got robbed last week I should not mind I am getting robbed again?

The old lay back and enjoy it if you are getting raped addage. I dont buy it.

So now its not about money, Its not about love,sex, or marriage, It is about recognition?
I dont want the government to recognize me. I want them to leave me alone.
So its about forcing people to submit to other peoples ideas?
This is getting positively Koranic.
 
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akyron said:
Geez. I dont either. It was on top of the pile and I was bored. Its a non-issue to me.
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Good to know.

You really like that word.
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Only when it is applicable.

How exactly do you feel restricted? Ropes? A gag? Gitmo attire? A gang of nuns tackling you as you attempt to vow undying devotion...(nevermind you can do that anywhere)
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I feel restricted when everything I have worked my entire life to earn gets taxed upon my leaving it to my spouse when straight couples don't suffer the same indignity.


I dont believe married people should get any taxpayer money period.
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I wasn't aware of a marriage stimulus fund for anyone? How do married couples get tax payer money?

Just because I got robbed last week I should not mind I am getting robbed again?
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What married couple dug through your wallet and took your money? :confused:

The old lay back and enjoy it if you are getting raped addage. I dont buy it.
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Good, then we are on the same page.

So now its not about money, Its not about love,sex, or marriage, It is about recognition?
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Nope. It's still all about equal treatment. We covered that already.

I dont want the government to recognize me. I want them to leave me alone.
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True. That and leaving what my spouse inherits from me alone, too.

So its about forcing people to submit to other peoples ideas?
This is getting positively Koranic.
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How are you being forced to submit to anything if you aren't the one getting married? :confused:
 
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