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    Re: Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Here come the partisan hacks trying to spin this as a Democrat thing.

    News flash: government offices are filled with morons and bureaucrats. I recently had to call up the embassy in Beijing about something. It took three days of trying before I finally got to speak to someone, and that someone was an overpaid moron. They aren't paid to be smart.

    In any case, I agree that this was no accident.
    Absolutely not, but all the times that you guys blamed Bush for everything under the sun, hopefully understand and admit now the being the President does not mean that he's aware and in control of every document the govt produces or processes. Stop with the Bush bashing already.
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    Re: Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites

    Woah, check this out...

    'Secret' government documents left behind at news bureau: CTV

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    Documents related to Canada's nuclear industry apparently accidentally left behind by Natural Resources Minister Lisa Raitt indicate the government has invested billions in Atomic Energy of Canada Ltd. while cost overruns mount and projects fall behind schedule.

    The documents, which were marked "secret," were left at CTV's Ottawa news bureau about a week ago by either Raitt or by one of her aides, CTV reported.
    Something similar JUST happened in Canada. Coincidence?

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    Re: Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Ok, how about Donald Trump just walks around Washington saying "You're fired"?

    If we're going to go all hucksterish, that would be the way to do it.
    Nobody takes Donald Trump seriously. As soon as you put your business all over reality television you become the equivalent of a washed-up porno star.

    Should hire a 5th grade class to do it. A kid handing me a notice of the elimination of my job would be pretty heart-wrenching, especially if the kid cried.
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    Re: Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Woah, check this out...

    'Secret' government documents left behind at news bureau: CTV



    Something similar JUST happened in Canada. Coincidence?
    Whoever reported the contents of the documents should be in prison, today! Leaving behind classified material at a news bureau does NOT give that bureau a license to disseminate it. Action against the person who left them is another story. Why was someone at a news bureau with classified documents? Nevertheless, CTV needs to be nailed to the wall, if in fact the material was classified.
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    Re: Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Whoever reported the contents of the documents should be in prison, today! Leaving behind classified material at a news bureau does NOT give that bureau a license to disseminate it. Action against the person who left them is another story. Why was someone at a news bureau with classified documents? Nevertheless, CTV needs to be nailed to the wall, if in fact the material was classified.
    I'm not sure it works that way...

    If it's a classified document, then authorized viewers of it need specific security clearance and in turn sign a confidentiality contract. Someone outside of that arrangement has not violated the law because nothing has legally binded them to maintaining secrecy.

    It's whoever gave it to them that is going to be screwed if they can find out who did it.

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    Re: Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites

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    WTF??? Who's the moron?
    GPO as it turns out. It's not as bad as it seems, though. The information was about civilian nuclear sites, and most of it is publicly available anyway. Still not good, but it's not what I though when I first heard the headlines

    Source [Ars Technica | Confidential list of US nuke sites ends up on Wikileaks]

    As a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the US regularly prepares a report on its civilian nuclear program for the Agency, which provides a detailed listing of the sites and assets of the nuclear power industry throughout the US. Although most of the information is available from other sources, the report is, quite reasonably, considered very sensitive. Over the weekend, however, the Federation of American Scientists' Secrecy News blog noticed that the document had appeared on the website of the Government Printing Office. Although it has since been pulled from that site, these sorts of errors have become irreversible in the Internet era—the document now resides on Wikileaks

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    The cover letter indicates that the document wound up at the Government Printing Office because the Administration was reporting it to Congress. It was explicitly not intended for public disclosure; under Federal disclosure rules, it was marked as "Sensitive but Unclassified," which limits who gets to see it. Under IAEA rules, the document is termed "Highly Confidential Safeguards Sensitive," and each page of the report is marked by that phrase. So, it's pretty clear that the GPO was in error when it posted the document in a publicly accessible location, and it quickly removed it once the mistake became apparent.

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    As noted above, most of the material in the document is already public knowledge. Civilian nuclear sites are pretty difficult to miss, and it's widely known that radioactive wastes are generally stored on site, and will remain there until the US makes its way through the political minefield involved in opening a long-term storage site. Still, some of the information provides a glimpse into the facilities at the Department of Energy's National Laboratory system. Various press reports say that information is available on Los Alamos, Livermore, and Sandia National Labs, and details are provided on a major storage facility for enriched uranium housed at Oak Ridge National Lab. Even if that information is available elsewhere, anyone interested in it will definitely appreciate having it all in one place, although the document is an unsearchable scan of the original, rather than a text PDF.
    BTW - if anybody wants to see the report here it is

    [Wikileaks | Obama IAEA nuclear sites declaration for the United States, draft, 267 pages, 5 May 2009] (PDF link)

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    Re: Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Here come the partisan hacks trying to spin this as a Democrat thing.


    I don't see anyone making this out to be a one party or another thing. Me, personally, I blame everyone, starting at the top and working my way down. That's why I say send the whole sorry lot of them packing.

    (that Dear Leader is an Anti-Republican....well, that's just a bonus)

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    Re: Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post


    I don't see anyone making this out to be a one party or another thing. Me, personally, I blame everyone, starting at the top and working my way down. That's why I say send the whole sorry lot of them packing.

    (that Dear Leader is an Anti-Republican....well, that's just a bonus)
    I have confidence in you. You will find a way to spin this to be President Obama's fault any day now.

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    Re: Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have confidence in you. You will find a way to spin this to be President Obama's fault any day now.
    Only in your wildest sexual fantasies, maybe. Nowhere else.

    Bureaucracies are their own special breed of idiocy. The only opprobrium that attaches to Dear Leader in this is that he's part and parcel of the dysfunctional mess. As the man on top, he gets top billing on the list of people to fire, but that's the extent of it.

    Besides, kinda hard to pin the blame on Dear Leader once you've said fire 'em all.

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    Re: Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Here come the partisan hacks trying to spin this as a Democrat thing.

    News flash: government offices are filled with morons and bureaucrats. I recently had to call up the embassy in Beijing about something. It took three days of trying before I finally got to speak to someone, and that someone was an overpaid moron. They aren't paid to be smart.
    Where does the buck stop?

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