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    Re: Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Or proponents of federalism. Y'know, whatever.



    Can you show me evidence that the founding fathers intended the Constitution to bind state or local governments?



    Heller didn't apply it to the states.

    uhm..... i cut out the rest to simply address this my friend.



    if this ruling was legal and constitutional, then why couldn't this same 3 judge panel uphold a law stating slavery was ok in chi town?
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    Re: Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Presumably before the 14th amendment you did not have right to bear arms if the state or locality said you didn't, only the feds were retrained. It was between you and your state or locality to decide the matter.

    However post-14th amendment it would seem to be correct that the 2nd amendment retrains states and localities as well.




    2nd:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


    9th:

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
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    Re: Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    They are trying also to get the guns out of homes that get stolen and wind up in the streets. This city is a war zone in certain areas. There are no places to hunt in Chicago. There are no shooting ranges here. The only shooting that gets done is in the streets. They need to do something here.

    I can understand that people don't want to give up there guns and believe they have the 2nd amendment to protect that right. This city is not a place to stand for tha.



    chicago shooting ranges - Google Maps





    you can thank me late for correcting the ignorance here.



    while your at it, tell me who is shooting who in chi town, and where are they getting the guns. you suggest they are stolen by law abiding citizens, i'd like you to prove that.
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    Re: Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    uhm..... i cut out the rest to simply address this my friend.



    if this ruling was legal and constitutional, then why couldn't this same 3 judge panel uphold a law stating slavery was ok in chi town?
    13th amendment

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    Re: Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    13th amendment



    then the 2nd should have prevented this ruling as well.
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    Re: Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    then the 2nd should have prevented this ruling as well.
    No, because the Bill of Rights only applied to the federal government, never to the states. Then the 14th amendment came along and slowly incorporated much of the BOR, but not all of it.

    Personally, I think the 14th is pretty straight forward and that it incorporated all of the BOR, but I'm not a federal judge with a thought process that can bend even the simplest wording into something quite complex and convoluted.

    The 13th specifically applies to government at all levels.

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    Re: Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    No, because the Bill of Rights only applied to the federal government, never to the states. Then the 14th amendment came along and slowly incorporated much of the BOR, but not all of it.

    Personally, I think the 14th is pretty straight forward and that it incorporated all of the BOR, but I'm not a federal judge with a thought process that can bend even the simplest wording into something quite complex and convoluted.

    The 13th specifically applies to government at all levels.


    this whole line of thinking makes no sense.


    what do the 1st 10 amendmendts do then?


    this 3 judge panel could by this logic.


    ban free speech, press, establish a chicago state church, suspend habeus corpus..... etc etc, etc.. to me this logic fails on so many levels.
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    Re: Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    what do the 1st 10 amendmendts do then?


    this 3 judge panel could by this logic.


    ban free speech, press, establish a chicago state church, suspend habeus corpus..... etc etc, etc.. to me this logic fails on so many levels.
    They keep the feds off your back.

    No, because I believe all of these rights have been incorporated.

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    Re: Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    They keep the feds off your back.

    No, because I believe all of these rights have been incorporated.




    how so? .....
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    Re: Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    how so? .....
    Through individual court rulings over the years.

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