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    Re: Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wonder if this is why President Obama is having a hard time getting congressional support for his plan.
    I wasn't aware that anyone in congress gave a crap about those who they represent.
    Obama lied... Ambassador Stevens died!

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    Re: Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I'm actually coming around to sending them all to Montana. Hardin, Montana wants them, has a big empty prison, has an armed populace in favor of taking them and so why not?
    Terrorists should not be placed in civilian prisons on US soil. That implies they are criminals under US law.

    Terrorists are not criminals. They are illegal enemy combatants, operating beyond the sanction of both US law and the Geneva Conventions, and their detention needs to be reflective of this.

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    Re: Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

    Should we put them in :"Gen Pop"?
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Terrorists should not be placed in civilian prisons on US soil. That implies they are criminals under US law.

    Terrorists are not criminals. They are illegal enemy combatants, operating beyond the sanction of both US law and the Geneva Conventions, and their detention needs to be reflective of this.
    I prefer "criminal" to "enemy combatant". "Enemy Combatant" sounds almost legit, while what I think of terrorists is that they are just criminals lowlifes. Or to put it another way: I do not oppose terrorists for what they stand for, but for what they do.

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    Re: Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Should we put them in :"Gen Pop"?
    Under phony names and at Pelican Bay, maybe......

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    Re: Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Under phony names and at Pelican Bay, maybe......



    So they can recruit? Not a good idea,
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    Re: Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I prefer "criminal" to "enemy combatant". "Enemy Combatant" sounds almost legit, while what I think of terrorists is that they are just criminals lowlifes. Or to put it another way: I do not oppose terrorists for what they stand for, but for what they do.
    Put it this way:

    Criminals are people who break the law. In administering justice, the criminal is both subject to the law (and the law's sanction) and protected by the law.

    The terrorist does not merely break the law. The terrorist dismisses the law. The terrorist of his own volition places himself outside the law, claims not to be subject to the law, and therefore has no claim on the protections of the law.

    There is no justice in giving terrorists the protection of law. They sneer at it, they have contempt for it, so let them do without it.

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    Re: Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Put it this way:

    Criminals are people who break the law. In administering justice, the criminal is both subject to the law (and the law's sanction) and protected by the law.

    The terrorist does not merely break the law. The terrorist dismisses the law. The terrorist of his own volition places himself outside the law, claims not to be subject to the law, and therefore has no claim on the protections of the law.

    There is no justice in giving terrorists the protection of law. They sneer at it, they have contempt for it, so let them do without it.
    And I would like us to be better than them.

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    Re: Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And I would like us to be better than them.
    That's a cop out, and a load of horse manure to boot. That's like refusing to smack the school bully because "fighting never solves anything", then standing by wailing helplessly while said bully helps himself to your lunch money.

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    Re: Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    That's a cop out, and a load of horse manure to boot. That's like refusing to smack the school bully because "fighting never solves anything", then standing by wailing helplessly while said bully helps himself to your lunch money.
    Except I am not letting any one bully me.

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