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    Re: Majority of Americans favor Sotomayor confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    That we don't back an activist and someone who has made racist comments?

    I wouldn't put any stock in the "public's opinion".
    They have read even less of Sotomayor than Harry Reid.

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    What you are missing is that fact that the right-wing efforts to derail the nomination not only failed, but have failed miserably.
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    Re: Majority of Americans favor Sotomayor confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No one.

    Requirements to vote should be that:

    1. you must be a tax payer

    2. you must not receive any benefit, payment, or any other sort of favor from the federal and/or state government.
    That would eliminate most people, especially the rich from your category, not to mention every single person who claimed a minor on their taxes, as well as everyone taking advantage of various federal tax credits. Everyone receiving Social Security would be invalidated. As would anyone on medicare/aid. And all students receiving federal Grants and aid would be eliminated. Really, there's essentially no one on your list.

    I also suspect you would be crossed off the list as well. What state do you live in? I bet I can find a state benefit you're taking advantage of. Every Californian who owns taxable land is off the list due to Prop 13.
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    Re: Majority of Americans favor Sotomayor confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What you are missing is that fact that the right-wing efforts to derail the nomination not only failed, but have failed miserably.


    Since she was virtually assured confirmation from the start that is a ridiculously ignorant statement.

    I think you enjoy making mountains out of dog poo.


    (Oh and the nomination process has not begun. If her statements about courts being legislators are substantiated much more..Moderate Democrats will oppose her.
    IF its shown some of her race based statements or decisions are based on race first and law second then she will also lose alot of Moderate Democrats)
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    Re: Majority of Americans favor Sotomayor confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post


    Since she was virtually assured confirmation from the start that is a ridiculously ignorant statement.

    I think you enjoy making mountains out of dog poo.


    (Oh and the nomination process has not begun. If her statements about courts being legislators are substantiated much more..Moderate Democrats will oppose her.
    IF its shown some of her race based statements or decisions are based on race first and law second then she will also lose alot of Moderate Democrats)
    Actually it has started. She has been meeting with Senators for 3 days now.

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    Re: Majority of Americans favor Sotomayor confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually it has started. She has been meeting with Senators for 3 days now.
    Oh please.....What she is doing right now is the tea sipping office meet butt slap for the cameras routine.

    I mean the actual process in which they have her files and are dragging her over the coals to see if she's qualified.
    AFAIK they don't even have her records yet. Al they have is pretty much what we have various comments some rulings and such that the media in some manner dug up.


    --Just saw a breaking news story which said an initial portfolio of her files had been released by the WH to Senators.
    So now the question arises... is this 10 pages of a 100 page document like they pulled with the "torture" thing or is this unedited/unaltered clean files?

    Expect to see some questions about her in the coming days based on her own actions.
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    Re: Majority of Americans favor Sotomayor confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That would eliminate most people, especially the rich from your category, not to mention every single person who claimed a minor on their taxes, as well as everyone taking advantage of various federal tax credits. Everyone receiving Social Security would be invalidated. As would anyone on medicare/aid. And all students receiving federal Grants and aid would be eliminated. Really, there's essentially no one on your list.
    There are plenty on the list.

    You can choose not to take tax breaks and payments.
    Its an equally discriminatory way to judge who should and should not vote.

    I like it that it is narrowed down so much.
    Don't you find it the least bit unethical that someone can vote themselves more money from the government?


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I also suspect you would be crossed off the list as well. What state do you live in? I bet I can find a state benefit you're taking advantage of. Every Californian who owns taxable land is off the list due to Prop 13.
    I know for a fact I wouldn't be able to vote. I'm still happy about it.

    I'm willing to do something that is against my short term interests in favor of something that would benefit the nation as whole.
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    Re: Majority of Americans favor Sotomayor confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There are plenty on the list.
    I don't know about that.

    You can choose not to take tax breaks and payments.
    You can also choose to starve.

    I like it that it is narrowed down so much.
    Don't you find it the least bit unethical that someone can vote themselves more money from the government?
    Such is the problem with voting. And voting to elect candidates who lower taxes is voting themselves money from the government. Instead of having to fork over $500, you only have to fork over $400, the benefit to you from their legislation is $100. The same deal if you had voted to elect a candidate who would have given everyone a $100 tax credit. Aside from semantics, there is no difference in outcome.

    I know for a fact I wouldn't be able to vote. I'm still happy about it.
    As long as you realize that. I suspect many people who would make similar claims as you did don't realize they are invalidated on their own criteria.

    I'm willing to do something that is against my short term interests in favor of something that would benefit the nation as whole.
    I don't see how that achieves your goal. The interests of those who receive no direct benefits and pay taxes may not be the interests that are good for the country.
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    Re: Majority of Americans favor Sotomayor confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You can also choose to starve.
    No one has to starve, they just can't vote.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Such is the problem with voting. And voting to elect candidates who lower taxes is voting themselves money from the government. Instead of having to fork over $500, you only have to fork over $400, the benefit to you from their legislation is $100. The same deal if you had voted to elect a candidate who would have given everyone a $100 tax credit. Aside from semantics, there is no difference in outcome.
    There is a difference between getting a $100 check from government that you didn't earn and keeping $100 you did earn.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    As long as you realize that. I suspect many people who would make similar claims as you did don't realize they are invalidated on their own criteria.
    Thats the crux of the problem, people aren't willing to give anything up for the sake of making everyone more free.

    They are content to live outside of their means and draw money they didn't earn.

    In this scenario I would eventually be able to vote but in the mean time I can trust the system to protect me from democratic predators.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't see how that achieves your goal. The interests of those who receive no direct benefits and pay taxes may not be the interests that are good for the country.
    It is for the good of the country.

    Our governments primary role is to make sure no one kills each other and no one steals from each other. That is both internally and externally.

    Instead what we have now is government acting as the thief and growing out of control.
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    Re: Majority of Americans favor Sotomayor confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Except that the principle logic of this is government doing what the people of the country want. . . .
    A representative owes the People not only his industry, but his
    judgment, and he betrays them if he sacrifices it to their opinion.

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    Re: Majority of Americans favor Sotomayor confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No one has to starve, they just can't vote.
    Then it's not a democracy.

    There is a difference between getting a $100 check from government that you didn't earn and keeping $100 you did earn.
    But one is still voting themselves money. One could vote for a candidate that would enact credits for things one is going to do. That would be voting themselves money.

    They are content to live outside of their means and draw money they didn't earn.
    How is someone utilizing the child credit living outside their means? A lot of benefits are quite small in comparison to one's means.

    It is for the good of the country.
    I don't know about that. The interests of that group may not be for the good of the country.

    Our governments primary role is to make sure no one kills each other and no one steals from each other. That is both internally and externally.
    Among a few others things as stated by Keynes (which include the two you gave).

    Instead what we have now is government acting as the thief and growing out of control.
    Perhaps, but wouldn't getting money out of the election system fix this problem rather then your radical change?
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