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    Re: North Korea names Kims successor

    lol@defense for the other communist monarchy. Power to the proletariat indeed.

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    Re: North Korea names Kims successor

    [QUOTE=Khayembii Communique;1058060684]Is there some reason I should not expect you to troll or tell me I'm wrong if I respond to this question?[QUOTE]



    Something you may wanna know about this soviet. When you say something he cant make an intelligent comeback to or something that doesnt suit him, apparently your "trolling". Pathetic.
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    Re: North Korea names Kims successor

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    1. And you're the authority on the subject because...
    2. The DPRK doesn't even consider themself "Communist". They have no Communist Party, and adhere to the neo-Confucian ideology of Juche, not Marxism-Leninism.
    Oh my, you people do make me laugh when you attempt to defend the failure of an ideology that is so corrupt and naive.

    I don't care what you ATTEMPT to claim; North Korea's regime is the epitomy of typical Communist ideals and nations who claim adherence to Marxist Principles. The outcome is the SAME regardless of how you attempt to avoid it or call it something else; total control of the society by a SINGLE party, total control of the economy and total control over the people with NO freedom of speech or ability to LEAVE the country.

    Does it ever cause any wonder to the Socialist Defenders why nations who have such policies have to create policies that prevent their citizens from leaving?

    What we have here is a Stalinist Communist inventing his own word to describe his desire to control every aspect of North Korean society to the detriment and starvation of his own people.

    According to Kim Jong-il's On the Juche Idea, the application of Juche in state policy entails the following: I had to reading some of this crapola.

    The people must have independence (chajusong) in thought and politics, economic self-sufficiency, and self-reliance in defense.

    Policy must reflect the will and aspirations of the masses and employ them fully in revolution and construction.

    Methods of revolution and construction must be suitable to the situation of the country.

    The most important work of revolution and construction is molding people ideologically as communists and mobilizing them to constructive action.

    The Juche outlook also requires absolute loyalty to the party and leader. In North Korea, these are the Workers' Party of Korea and Kim Jong-il, respectively.

    In official North Korean histories, one of the first purported applications of Juche was the Five-Year Plan of 1956-1961, also known as the Chollima Movement, which led to the Chongsan-ri Method and the Taean Work System. The Five-Year Plan involved rapid economic development of North Korea, with a focus on heavy industry, to ensure political independence from both the Soviet Union and the Mao Zedong regime in China. The Chollima Movement, however, applied the same method of centralized state planning that began with the Soviet First Five-Year Plan in 1928. The campaign also coincided with and was partially based on Mao's First Five-Year Plan and the Great Leap Forward. North Korea was apparently able to avoid the catastrophes of the Great Leap Forward.

    Despite its aspirations to self-sufficiency, North Korea has continually relied on economic assistance from other countries. Historically, North Korea received most of its assistance from the USSR until its collapse in 1991. In the period after the Korean War, North Korea relied on economic assistance and loans from "fraternal" countries from 1953-1963 and also depended considerably on Soviet industrial aid from 1953-1976. Following the fall of the USSR, the North Korean economy went into a crisis, with consequent infrastructural failures leading to the mass famine of the mid-1990s. After several years of starvation, the People's Republic of China agreed to be a substitute for the Soviet Union as a major aid provider, supplying over 400 million dollars per year in humanitarian assistance.[2] Since 2007, North Korea also received large supplies of heavy fuel oil and technical assistance as scheduled in the six-party talks framework.[3] North Korea was the second largest recipient of international food aid in 2005, and continues to suffer chronic food shortages.

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    Re: North Korea names Kims successor

    I already rebutted a long collection of rambling about socialism that you posted the other day...shouldn't you be getting around to responding to that?

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    Re: North Korea names Kims successor

    North Korea was supported by the USSR and it's government set up on the USSR image. It was not setup according to a Chinese version of communism.
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    Re: North Korea names Kims successor

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I already rebutted a long collection of rambling about socialism that you posted the other day...shouldn't you be getting around to responding to that?
    I thought I had responded but you kept insisting on ignoring what I was saying and entering into a never ending circle of futility by running off to the next unsubstantiated assertion; in other words, I let you have the last word in an endeavor that was futile when you don't even comprehend the other side’s arguments and facts.

    Here, let's try this again; start a new thread in the partisan political forum were you first define what YOU think Socialism means and what YOUR version of what Capitalism means; then;

    Where has a Socialist economic model ever worked better than a Capitalist economic model?

    Please post economic data that supports your assertions from credible sources.

    I will be more than happy to respond there. I don't want to de-rail this thread with your desperate assertions about what constitutes Socialism.

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    Re: North Korea names Kims successor

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I thought I had responded but you kept insisting on ignoring what I was saying and entering into a never ending circle of futility by running off to the next unsubstantiated assertion; in other words, I let you have the last word in an endeavor that was futile when you don't even comprehend the other side’s arguments and facts.

    Here, let's try this again; start a new thread in the partisan political forum were you first define what YOU think Socialism means and what YOUR version of what Capitalism means; then;

    Where has a Socialist economic model ever worked better than a Capitalist economic model?

    Please post economic data that supports your assertions from credible sources.

    I will be more than happy to respond there. I don't want to de-rail this thread with your desperate assertions about what constitutes Socialism.
    Actually, why don't you do that, since you seem to enjoy setting parameters? I would have had you in a True Debate a while ago...

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    Re: North Korea names Kims successor

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Actually, why don't you do that, since you seem to enjoy setting parameters? I would have had you in a True Debate a while ago...
    I am not the one desperately trying to defend the OBVIOUS failures of Communist and Socialist philosophies in every thread, why should I start a thread defending a philosophy I know is a failure?


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    Re: North Korea names Kims successor

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am not the one desperately trying to defend the OBVIOUS failures of Communist and Socialist philosophies in every thread, why should I start a thread defending a philosophy I know is a failure?

    You're the one nitpicking about parameters, which I care not the slightest bit about. I also don't need to go out of my way to engage someone who lacks an understanding of socialist political economy and merely refers to state capitalism...unless you have something more interesting to provide?

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    Re: North Korea names Kims successor

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    You're the one nitpicking about parameters, which I care not the slightest bit about. I also don't need to go out of my way to engage someone who lacks an understanding of socialist political economy and merely refers to state capitalism...unless you have something more interesting to provide?
    Well apparently your comments are in conflict with your assertions. You definitely appear to be desperately trying to engage me in my lack of understanding of Socialist Political Economy and I gave you the chance to ENGAGE and EDUCATE me. If not, why do you continually bring it up?

    If you have nothing but empty whiney blather, just say so; I am the one who knows it is so obvious, you're the one in denial.

    OR, perhaps you truly are uninterested in a substantive coherent debate and merely wanting to troll here and merely wish to insult me personally?


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