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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Have you never figured out that Britain wasn't running the war, the United States was?
    Hey Scarecrow,

    As I said in another post would you like me to break down the Countries that were part of Operation Overlord and Neptune.

    Also I suggest you might want to read up on the history of WWII but if you don't have time I can give you some history lesson starting with Lend-Lease and Battle of Britian and then we can gone on to Battal for the South Alantic and then on to North Africa and the Med stuff.

    Just let me know which parts you need me to school you in.

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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    We know you weren't questioning, we were just trying to explain why we have such a strong reaction with the Queen.

    She made a vow when she was coronated at her young age.
    "I declare before you all that my whole life whither in be long or short shall be devoted to your service and to the service to the service of our great Imperial family. God help me to make good my vow. God bless all of you who are willing to share it"

    And she has done that for decades now.
    God save the Queen.

    Tell me, over here on this side of the pond, exactly what service the Queen does for her people? I know she's symbolic and a figurehead of a great people and loyal ally, but other than that, don't the people usually serve her for the most part? What does she "produce" that's actually tangable?

    I mean, our main dude just got slammed for going out on the town with his wife. Some folks over here, in these economic times, considered that to be decadent. Considering all the pomp and circumstance and high maintenance of maintaining a monarchy, in these economic times, does not Great Britian take some issue with that?

    Also, what is a "proper" invitation for the Queen? Is it any different from any other invitation that we, or any other nation, might send to any figurehead or head of state?

    I know the British put the royals above all others. And that's cool. That's their thing.

    But to me, it's just a dog and pony show. And although I respect the monarchy simply because I respect the will of the British people, I am not one who thinks the Queen's sh** doesn't stink.

    We heathen Americans. We just don't "get it," I suppose.

    Much adoo over nothing. Decadence and arrogance is not a virtue where I come from.

    Still, God save the Queen.

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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    At this stage, I'd rather abolish Parliament and have the Queen run this country seeing she'd do a damn better job and her loyalty and the fact she'd only work for UK's interest would never be in question
    Although I realize you are being facetious I still find this sentiment horrific. When the Monarchy did run the country they certainly did not act in the interests of ordinary British people. Or do you think Buckingham Palace, Balmoral and Windsor Castle were built to bring in tourists hundreds of years later


    The Queen is the ONLY person with worth and merit in this country that could represent UK.
    So why doesn't she put her position on the line in an election to prove it?
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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Did anybody see that PBS show recently about the everyday work of Queen Elizabeth and her family.

    I'd rather shovel ditches all day than go through what she has to go through. Every minute of every day is accounted for and planned. She has to visit each district every three years. She has to honor everybody who did something good for the community. She has to host dozens of receptions every year. She has to attend every opening of new buildings and stadiums. She has to meet with diplomats and on and on. Every word out of her mouth has to be exactly the right thing to say.

    Oh she works alright!

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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Well ofc you would. It means more religion.
    I'd rather we not get into a situation where we spend months trying to decide whether a PM is a Christian or a secret Muslim tyvm.
    If it means an end to current way I'd take it.

    Oh yes, blame the media for the fact that people do not go Church.
    They are partly to blame certainly.

    I suppose it's us liberals fault people are turning away from Christianity? Did we block their entry to the church perhaps?
    It is not completely but you cannot ignore the massive anti-religious bias of the media and establishment.

    Face it, people are leaving religion because it has little to offer them.
    Rubbish, it has much to offer them. It is changes in society as well as the above that is doing most of this. Religion is a community thing, the rise of the overbearing state and decline of community cannot bea good thing for it.
    It is religion that needs to evolve to make it relevant to 21st century brits. Not the Brits themselves.
    I cannot agree, we on the decline. I find it strange you call yourself a Muslim with views like these.


    Why does morality come into it?
    Because it informs our decisions in a thoughtful, relevant way.

    And you have morals without the baggage of religion you know. Run the country and run it well, it is us that should influence our MPs. Not a religion.
    Incorrect, we need MPs who are moral and MPs that are influenced by the ancient traditions of our land. That is the only way we will have stable, free gov't. I do remember you have a funny idea about "us", it seems to only count for left-liberals.
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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    Although I realize you are being facetious I still find this sentiment horrific. When the Monarchy did run the country they certainly did not act in the interests of ordinary British people.
    You need to research your history. It was often the monarch who acted against parliament and the nobility for the common people. In the civil war it was the Royalists who were more for the people, against the aristocrats in parliament. It was only when parliament got control that at last all restrictions on enclosures could be removed and the removal of restraints that helped the poor could come about.


    So why doesn't she put her position on the line in an election to prove it?
    You don't think she would win a referendum?

    The point is it degrades and destroys her position. We don't need to do that or to bow to the small amount republicans in Britain. We have tried republics they didn't take. No doubt you'll get your wish when we become Northern Europe province two anyway.
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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    Why?

    At least politicians are there because someone decided they could do a better job than anyone else, if they do a bad job they will, in theory, lose it.

    Frankly, the monarchy is just a relic of a less enlightened period of our history.
    Frankly she is not. She is a symbol of her heritage and tradition and a key part of our ancient institutions, bred to be head of state. I'd much rather her than some careerist politician or PR manager jumped up by the PM.

    Look at the house of lords, it is a fiasco since the incorruptibles were replaced PR men, ex-MPs, PM's supporters and wannabe MPs.


    If our head of state was someone who held that position on merit I would want them to be the first name on the list. As it is, I find it hard to get upset over the old women being treated like an average person, to me that is all she is.
    So? She isn't to most Brits. Most of us have respect for such an ancient institution. We feel no need to attack and destroy it to scratch some liberal universalist. A monarch can fulfill all the merits our head of state shall need, they have a stake - to give their estate to their posterity, they are bred for it from a family who has held the position for a thousand years and they answer to a ideational factor in British culture and heritage far more than some PR man or careerist politicians ever could.

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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    At the end of the day, it's just fun to sit back and watch the British fight each other. I do wish I could hear your voices though, as British accents make me swoon.

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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    At the end of the day, it's just fun to sit back and watch the British fight each other. I do wish I could hear your voices though, as British accents make me swoon.
    The republican position is a small minority here. However there are those few who salivate over the idea of a political appointee or, heaven forbid, an American style president instead of an institution that has served us for a thousand years and is intertwined with our gov't and heritage and even culture.

    Anyway you yanks have a very wrong stereotype of us Brits. I don't object to stereotypes, just that it is only one type of Brit, a South-East England toff, that you use for all of us rather than the very different stereotypes of all the different areas of Britain. Slainte's Scottish and I'm a Westcountryman so in reality, even if you stereotyped those areas, our argument would sound very different to what you are imagining.
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