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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I dislike Ann Widdecombe, for her politics naturally but in the years i've observed her she has at least been consistent.

    If we start up the road of Politicans spouting their religious beliefs every time they try and enter office we will end up like US. I don't want our politics to emulate them. Can you imagine simple things like Stem cells suddenly being such a ridiculous controversial battle?
    Yes, I'm not an expert on it but if it is proper to have such a moral debate then I would like to see it.

    What you advocate is a further drift to secularism, I do not agree with this and do not want to see it. I don't want the US system perhaps but I want one of a reinvigorated spirituality, particularly Anglican Christianity. I prefer it when politicians are ready to speak out about their religious beliefs and put morals above politics. Don't think that marginalising religion is neutral, religion relies on community and shared belief so by doing so you automatically weaken it.
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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    What about it? That does not distract from the importance or the glory of said office. In fact as your cliched response makes clear it was an important seat. It is also the seat of Blair just as Obama's is the seat of Carter, W.H.Bush and FDR. Cliches are so uninteresting, btw mate.
    How many millions did Carter, W.H. Bush and FDR sell to the gas chambers in return for the safety of their countries?
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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Yes. What you advocate is a further drift to secularism, I do not agree with this and do not want to see it. I don't want the US system perhaps but I want one of a reinvigorated spirituality, particularly Anglican Christianity. I prefer it when politicians are ready to speak out about their religious beliefs and put morals above politics. Don't think that marginalising religion is neutral, religion relies on community and shared belief so by doing so you automatically weaken it.
    There is little balance in the US model and what stops it from becoming it?
    The balance that should occur is happening now.
    It hardly matters if politicans are religious if the citizens are not but Christianity does and always will hold such positions of influence. House of Lords is packed full of Bishops, tax money to keep going etc.

    If a politicans puts his morals above the politics and wishes of voters. He should get out of office and join a religious group. That would be more suited.
    Community has been destroyed for a very long time, religion isn't going to fix that.


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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How many millions did Carter, W.H. Bush and FDR sell to the gas chambers in return for the safety of their countries?


    Damn the amount of historical inaccuracy in that is staggering.
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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    There is little balance in the US model and what stops it from becoming it?
    I think there is plenty of balance. Note I consider it better in this regard than the current British set up.



    The balance that should occur is happening now.
    I disagree entirely. The elites, liberal media and at least two of the main parties are pushing us endlessly towards further secularisation.
    It hardly matters if politicans are religious if the citizens are not but Christianity does and always will hold such positions of influence. House of Lords is packed full of Bishops, tax money to keep going etc.
    The fact that the elites and media and such push more and more secularism and less and less Christianity effects the level of Christian belief in this country. I'd say it is one of the major reasons for its unfortunate decline.

    If a politicans puts his morals above the politics and wishes of voters. He should get out of office and join a religious group. That would be more suited.
    Unless of course his voters want things like section 28 of course. So basically pro-left-liberal popularism is good, anti- is bad.

    Everyone's worldviews is based on their ethics, metaphysical, spiritual and ethical belief systems. Your representative owes you his judgment and as well as acting for the electors he must use his moral judgment and also work for Britain. To do this he should aim to uphold the church and religion of the state and he should adhere to his morals in many cases.


    Community has been destroyed for a very long time, religion isn't going to fix that.
    They go hand in hand.
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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    ... Look at Anne Widdecombe part of the traditionalist Tory wing and very much a staunch Catholic.

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    Ann Widdecombe was born/christened an Anglican and only left the Church of England in the 1990's.
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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I think there is plenty of balance. Note I consider it better in this regard than the current British set up.

    I disagree entirely. The elites, liberal media and at least two of the main parties are pushing us endlessly towards further secularisation.
    The fact that the elites and media and such push more and more secularism and less and less Christianity effects the level of Christian belief in this country. I'd say it is one of the major reasons for its unfortunate decline.
    Well ofc you would. It means more religion.
    I'd rather we not get into a situation where we spend months trying to decide whether a PM is a Christian or a secret Muslim tyvm.

    Oh yes, blame the media for the fact that people do not go Church.
    I suppose it's us liberals fault people are turning away from Christianity? Did we block their entry to the church perhaps?

    Face it, people are leaving religion because it has little to offer them.
    It is religion that needs to evolve to make it relevant to 21st century brits. Not the Brits themselves.

    Your representative owes you his judgment and as well as acting for the electors he must use his moral judgment and also work for Britain. To do this he should aim to uphold the church and religion of the state and he should adhere to his morals in many cases.

    They go hand in hand.
    Why does morality come into it? And you have morals without the baggage of religion you know. Run the country and run it well, it is us that should influence our MPs. Not a religion.


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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


    Have you never picked up a history book and read the Normandy affair?

    As shocking as it may be for you to understand, US troops weren't the only ones there. There was more than one country present. 10 countries taking part to be exact.
    Actually Yes I have, I've done two papers on Operation Overlord one of what if Army Group B was released by Hitler and one if Operation Anvil had happen at the same time like Ike want to.

    As for the number of Counrties your wrong their were more then 10 Allied Countries involved with the invasion. If you like I can name them and even break them down by how many and what type of units for you.

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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Doesn't the Whitehouse have more important things to worry about?

    I really could not care less about her attending and I certainly do not take it as a slight against Britain.

    In fact if the French did it on purpose I appreciate it, one less fancy trip that her subjects have to pay for!
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    Re: White House Seeks a Proper Invitation for the Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    I really could not care less about her attending and I certainly do not take it as a slight against Britain.

    In fact if the French did it on purpose I appreciate it, one less fancy trip that her subjects have to pay for!
    I'd rather pay for her than ANY Politican.

    I care about her attendence and you are most likely in the minority.
    This will be the last time many of the veterans travel to Normandy and you do not want our head of state to be there?


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