Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

Goobieman · Jun 2, 2009

Khayembii Communique said:
What WMD? What WMD programs? What desire to "trhart" [whatever that means] and evade the international community? You're going to have to be more specific. And posting a list of quotes doesn't formulate an argument - that's your job.

Trhart = Threat

I'm sorry if the peopkle describing the threat to the American People doesn'l describe the threat to you. I guess you'll just have to remain unsatisfied.

It actually works the other way around;

Actusally, no. There are several provisions on international law that would allows for a war absent a UNSC reslution to that effect -- it is up to YOU to show how they do not apply here.

2 examples:
Treaty law: Violation of a cease fire is cause for hostilities to re-open
Treaty and Custom law: The right of a state to act in its own self-defense

It was silly of me to assume you were arare of these tenets of International law, and that you'd be able to address them w/o coaxing.

There are, of course, several UNSC resolutions you oought to look to as well, given that they amend and supercede the one you cited.

Goobieman · Jun 2, 2009

Khayembii Communique said:
Link please.

Gulf War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The end of active hostilities
A peace conference was held in Iraqi territory occupied by the coalition, where a cease fire agreement was negotiated and signed by both sides. At the conference, Iraq won the approval of the use of armed helicopters on their side of the temporary border, ostensibly for government transit due to the damage done to civilian transportation. Soon after, these helicopters, and much of the Iraqi armed forces, were refocused toward fighting against a Shiite uprising in the south. The rebellions were encouraged on 2 February 1991 by a broadcast on CIA run radio station The Voice of Free Iraq broadcasting out of Saudi Arabia. The Arabic service of the Voice of America supported the uprising by stating that the rebellion was large and that they soon would be liberated from Hussein.[55]

Khayembii Communique · Jun 2, 2009

I'm sorry if the peopkle describing the threat to the American People doesn'l describe the threat to you. I guess you'll just have to remain unsatisfied.

What threat?

2 examples:
Treaty law: Violation of a cease fire is cause for hostilities to re-open
Treaty and Custom law: The right of a state to act in its own self-defense

I am aware of both of these, but neither apply.

There are, of course, several UNSC resolutions you oought to look to as well, given that they amend and supercede the one you cited.

I am quite aware of all the relevant resolutions.

Gulf War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm looking for a link to the text of the cease-fire agreement, not a wikipedia article claiming one exists (btw, I know that this does not exist, so let me know when you are done trying to claim that it does).

Goobieman · Jun 2, 2009

Khayembii Communique said:
What threat?

The post is in English, and the descritptions of the threat are plain.

I am aware of both of these, but neither apply.

Show this to be true.

I am quite aware of all the relevant resolutions.

Show that the resolution you cited remains relevant.

I'm looking for a link to the text of the cease-fire, not a wikipedia article claiming one exists.

You've been shown that a cease-fire was signed between the earring parties directly, seperate from any UN action to that effect.
Youdont have to like that, but you should accept it.

Harshaw · Jun 2, 2009

Khayembii Communique said:
Link please.

Heck, I'll do you one better -- I'll link you to a 1992 statement by the Security Council that says Iraq was already violating the terms of the cease-fire.

Security Council Says Iraq Violating Cease-Fire Terms

The cease-fire was ratified as UN SC Res 687.

Goobieman · Jun 2, 2009

Harshaw said:
Heck, I'll do you one better -- I'll link you to a 1992 statement by the Security Council that says Iraq was already violating the terms of the cease-fire.

Security Council Says Iraq Violating Cease-Fire Terms

The cease-fire was ratified as UN SC Res 687.

Yes.
That was the UN putting its 'appoval' on the agreement signed on 3-3-91.
How good of them.

earthworm · Jun 2, 2009

goldendog said:
Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

By James Rowley and Jonathan D. Salant

June 1 (Bloomberg) -- Former Vice President Dick Cheney disavowed intelligence he once cited to suggest that then-Iraq dictator Saddam Hussein collaborated with al-Qaeda to stage the Sept. 11 attacks.

Cheney said today that information by the Central Intelligence Agency of collaboration between Iraq and al-Qaeda on Sept. 11 “turned out not to be true.” Still, Cheney said a longstanding relationship existed between Hussein and terrorist groups, including al-Qaeda, that justified the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.

“I thought it was strong at the time and I still feel so today,” Cheney said at a National Press Club lunch in Washington. “There was a relationship between al-Qaeda and Iraq that stretched back 10 years. That’s not something I made up.” Citing 2002 Senate testimony by George Tenet, then the CIA director, he said, “We know for a fact that Saddam Hussein was a state sponsor of terrorism.”

On whether Hussein helped al-Qaeda carry out the 2001 terrorist attacks, Cheney said, “I do not believe, and I have never seen any evidence, that he was involved in 9/11.”

On whether Hussein helped al-Qaeda carry out the 2001 terrorist attacks, Cheney said, “I do not believe, and I have never seen any evidence, that he was involved in 9/11.”

I'm telling you folks this guy is pathetic..now that investigations are progressing and information is coming out in reguards to the Bush Administrations apparent motivatons for torturing people Cheney comes out and makes this stunning admission..why now?

The difference between men and boys is that a real man will own up to his misakes, but a young boy will make excuses and denials.
Which one is Cheney ?

Goobieman · Jun 2, 2009

earthworm said:
The difference between men and boys is that a real man will own up to his misakes, but a young boy will make excuses and denials.
Which one is Cheney ?

What mistake did Cheney make and not own up to?

Khayembii Communique · Jun 2, 2009

The post is in English, and the descritptions of the threat are plain.

Please show me where you outlined what this threat was.

Show this to be true.

1. There was no treaty between the US and Iraq; the cease-fire agreement was in the form of a security council resolution.
2. The US was not being threatened in any way.

Show that the resolution you cited remains relevant.

Show that it doesn't.

You've been show that a cease-fire was signed between the earring parties directly, seperate from any UN action to that effect.

Yes, a UN cease-fire was signed by both parties. This was a cease-fire with the UN and not the United States, and it was specifically UNSCR687. Now, unless you know of a separate cease-fire agreement between the US and Iraq, then you are blatantly wrong.

You don't have to like this, but you should accept it.

Heck, I'll do you one better -- I'll link you to a 1992 statement by the Security Council that says Iraq was already violating the terms of the cease-fire.

Security Council Says Iraq Violating Cease-Fire Terms

The cease-fire was ratified as UN SC Res 687.

Because the cease-fire agreement was with the UN, through UNSCR687, and not with the United States, only the UN Security Council had the power to authorize the use of force, which never happened.

Therefore, whether or not Iraq violated UNSCR687 is irrelevant to the issue of the US invasion.

Goobieman · Jun 2, 2009

Khayembii Communique said:
Please show me where you outlined what this threat was.

If you can't read the plain englsih, let me know what language you CAN read, and I will try to have it translated.

1. There was no treaty between the US and Iraq; the cease-fire agreement was between Iraq and the UN.

Show this to be true, especially given that the was a cease-fire signed on 3-3-91

2. The US was not being threatened in any way.

Your saying so doesn't make it so; those that know better than you and that have the power to make that determination disagree wirh your position.
So, your statement here holds no water.

Show that doesn't.

No...
Your claim is that it remains relevant thru March 2003.
Show that to be true.

Yes, a UN cease-fire was signed by both parties. This was a cease-fire with the UN and not the United States, and it was specifically UNSCR687. Now, unless you know of a separate cease-fire agreement between the US and Iraq, then you are blatantly wrong.
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I suggest you check the date of UNSCR687 amd the ceae-fire that ended hostilities. You'll see that the cease-fire between the US (et al) and Iraq predates the UN resolution by almost a month.

Thus, seperate cease-fires.

You don't have to like this, but you should accept it

Khayembii Communique · Jun 2, 2009

Show this to be true, especially given that the was a cease-fire signed on 3-3-91

Until you provide a link to a cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, I am going to assume you are lying.

Your saying so doesn't make it so; those that know better than you and that have the power to make that determination disagree wirh your position.

You aren't even able to outline what these threats were, instead resorting to saying "I already said it, but I'm not showing you where!"

goldendog · Jun 2, 2009

earthworm said:
The difference between men and boys is that a real man will own up to his misakes, but a young boy will make excuses and denials.
Which one is Cheney ?

Cheney is like the "wicked witch of the west" riding on a broom, blowing smoke, and spelling out letters in the sky that clearly say "Surrender Obama".

He is one evil bastard.

Harshaw · Jun 2, 2009

Khayembii Communique said:
Until you provide a link to a cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, I am going to assume you are lying.

The terms were set forth in Res 686 and signed by the US, et al, and Iraq on 3/3/91. It was formalized in Res 687 in April.

F107HyperSabr · Jun 2, 2009

real Cheney is held hostage in undisclosed location

What has happened to Cheney ? First he suddenly becomes Guru to the Gays !!! Then he admits that there was no connection between 9/11 and Iraqistan !!!! Who captured the real Cheney and is holding him hostage in an undisclosed location ?

ADK_Forever · Jun 2, 2009