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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    By James Rowley and Jonathan D. Salant

    June 1 (Bloomberg) -- Former Vice President Dick Cheney disavowed intelligence he once cited to suggest that then-Iraq dictator Saddam Hussein collaborated with al-Qaeda to stage the Sept. 11 attacks.

    Cheney said today that information by the Central Intelligence Agency of collaboration between Iraq and al-Qaeda on Sept. 11 “turned out not to be true.” Still, Cheney said a longstanding relationship existed between Hussein and terrorist groups, including al-Qaeda, that justified the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    “I thought it was strong at the time and I still feel so today,” Cheney said at a National Press Club lunch in Washington. “There was a relationship between al-Qaeda and Iraq that stretched back 10 years. That’s not something I made up.” Citing 2002 Senate testimony by George Tenet, then the CIA director, he said, “We know for a fact that Saddam Hussein was a state sponsor of terrorism.”

    On whether Hussein helped al-Qaeda carry out the 2001 terrorist attacks, Cheney said, “I do not believe, and I have never seen any evidence, that he was involved in 9/11.”

    On whether Hussein helped al-Qaeda carry out the 2001 terrorist attacks, Cheney said, “I do not believe, and I have never seen any evidence, that he was involved in 9/11.”

    I'm telling you folks this guy is pathetic..now that investigations are progressing and information is coming out in reguards to the Bush Administrations apparent motivatons for torturing people Cheney comes out and makes this stunning admission..why now?
    Well they did have a relationship and Saddam was harboring known AQ operatives who had attacked the U.S. on her own soil in 1993 and at one point even offered OBL safe haven after 9-11.

    Furthermore; I have only heard Cheney claim of a Saddam tie to 9-11 through the Atta-ISS Prague connection, and while it now seems likely to be a case of mistaken identity the Czchek authorities still stand by their story and Cheney was relaying the intelligence in good faith.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    The problem here is that this "relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda" was absolutely debunked prior to the invasion and the Bush administration knew it.
    Sorry but that relationship is still not debunked sir. I suggest looking into the the Pentagon review of the DOCEX release which demonstrates Saddam's sponsorship of terrorist attacks against the U.S. including known AQ affiliates not to mention that Saddam was harboring a member of AQ responsible for bombing the WTC in 1993 and Saddam's offer of safe haven to OBL after 9-11.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The biggest lie is when no WMD's were discovered, and the Bush administration began telling everyone that the war was fought to free the Iraqi people.
    Go read the AUMF and stop talking out of your bun hole. Liberating the Iraqi people was always a central goal of OIF and has in fact been official U.S. policy since 1998.

    Think about it. If Bush said "let's go to war to free the Iraqi people", would Americans have supported it? Of course not. The Bush administration needed to scare the bejesus out of people with false information, cherry picked from a mountain of data that showed otherwise.
    That's a load of crap all 16 members of the U.S. intelligence community came to the same conclusion in the 2002 NIE that Saddam possessed and was continuing development on WMD. Nothing was cherry picked the evidence pointed in only one direction.
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    With support that was garnered from manipulated intelligence.
    Um the that's another load of pure BS completely debunked by the Senate Report on Iraqi WMD Intelligence which demonstrates that the Administration in no way interfered with the intelligence community and guess what? All 16 members of the intelligence community found in the 2002 NIE that Saddam possessed and was continuing development of WMD.

    Furthermore; we now know from the Pentagon Review of the DOCEX release that Saddam was sponsoring terrorism against the U.S. (including AQ affiliates) right up until the fall of Baghdad.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I didn't, although you certainly have. Here is a copy of the Iraq War Resolution.

    1) In what are referred to as the whereas (in the first section), some have taken out of context the "whereas" that "Iraq repressed its population" as meaning to free the population, when in fact, it was put in there to reference Saddam's attacks on the population with chemical weapons. This is put into context in the very next "whereas":

    2) The whereas section refers to connections between Iraq and al-Qaeda (false), members of al-Qaeda being in Iraq and being trained by Iraq (false), Saddam stockpiling WMD's (false), Iraq having an advanced nuclear weapons program (false), Iraq was a threat to the United States (false), through inference, that Iraq was involved in the planning of the 911 attacks (false), and was harboring those who committed the 911 attacks (false).

    3) Some refer to this "whereas" as freeing the Iraqi people:

    However, this again is in the context of overthrowing Saddam and replacing him for his violation of Security Council resolutions, not as a casus belli to invade iraq, as will be made clear in the actual authorization itself.

    4) The "whereas" section is not the authorization. the authorization, which is in section 3, reads as follows:

    Notice the context of defending the US against the threat posed by Iraq. And why is Iraq a threat to the United States? Because of their WMD's, of course. Also notice where it says enforce the Security Council Resolutions. These resolutions were for Iraq to get rid of it's WMD's, and not to pursue a nuclear weapons program.

    5) Notice that, in the authorization itself, freeing the Iraqi people is not mentioned. Only parts 1 and 2 in section a, which is the authorization itself.

    Now, instead of name calling and personal attacks (To wit - You lied when you said I did not read the resolution, made a misstatement when you said that what I said was not true, and added an ad hominem personal attack at the end to boot), you might go through the resolution yourself, and point out in the actual authorization section, which is the pertinent part of the resolution, where this is about freeing the Iraq people, instead of attacking Iraq over WMD's.

    Ball is in your court now.
    I have never in my life seen such mental gymnastics the AUMF clearly shows that U.S. wished to overthrow the Iraqi regime and install a democratic system of governance. The "whereas" section are the reasons why the POTUS is being granted "authorization" to remove Saddam from power. One of those reasons was our wish to have a democratic Iraq.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Looks like I win!
    On a purely superficial level that ignores the actual fundamental reasons sure. But that's like winning the mini stuff animal at the carnival, the kind you need 256 to trade in for the giant stuffed panda.

    BTW, The Iraq war resolution voted on and passed by congress and the quote you provided of Wolfowitz didn't list the reasons for war in order of importance.
    The point is that the administration didn't really give a **** about the Iraqi people.

    The whole invasion was for land to build military bases. Everything else was a cover for that.
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    By James Rowley and Jonathan D. Salant

    June 1 (Bloomberg) -- Former Vice President Dick Cheney disavowed intelligence he once cited to suggest that then-Iraq dictator Saddam Hussein collaborated with al-Qaeda to stage the Sept. 11 attacks.

    Cheney said today that information by the Central Intelligence Agency of collaboration between Iraq and al-Qaeda on Sept. 11 “turned out not to be true.” Still, Cheney said a longstanding relationship existed between Hussein and terrorist groups, including al-Qaeda, that justified the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    “I thought it was strong at the time and I still feel so today,” Cheney said at a National Press Club lunch in Washington. “There was a relationship between al-Qaeda and Iraq that stretched back 10 years. That’s not something I made up.” Citing 2002 Senate testimony by George Tenet, then the CIA director, he said, “We know for a fact that Saddam Hussein was a state sponsor of terrorism.”

    On whether Hussein helped al-Qaeda carry out the 2001 terrorist attacks, Cheney said, “I do not believe, and I have never seen any evidence, that he was involved in 9/11.”

    On whether Hussein helped al-Qaeda carry out the 2001 terrorist attacks, Cheney said, “I do not believe, and I have never seen any evidence, that he was involved in 9/11.”

    I'm telling you folks this guy is pathetic..now that investigations are progressing and information is coming out in reguards to the Bush Administrations apparent motivatons for torturing people Cheney comes out and makes this stunning admission..why now?
    Cheney is trying to distance himself from the administration and its decisions. He will fail.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The whole invasion was for land to build military bases. Everything else was a cover for that.
    We already had 13 military bases in Kuwait and I believe at least one airbase in Saudi Arabia.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 06-02-09 at 07:55 AM.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So, post links to your 'facts' and we'll see what's what.

    Careful review of the facts often reveals the truth.

    Don't forget to include the state of the union prior to the invasion and the speech Bush gave to the nation on the eve of the invasion. Because that's when he told Americans the reasons we were going to war.

    Yes, as the war dragged on, these reasons seemed to magically change in speeches and statements from the WH. Go back an count the times WMD's were mentioned and you'll have a pretty accurate understanding of what we were told.

    Remember the Orwell book Animal Farm when the pigs kept changing the rules as they went along.
    Wiki typically isn't the best source, but all of these reasons are provided in the text of the resolution.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_Resolution]Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors.

    Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."

    Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."

    Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".

    Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.

    Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.

    Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.

    The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, including the September 11th, 2001 terrorists and those who aided or harbored them.
    The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.

    Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Pssh, i've been saying that for years that US and UK didn't give a **** about Iraqi freedom. They only made that bull**** up when they couldn't find the [non existent] WMD's.
    Look at some of Bush's earliest speeches on the issue. You'll find that the fomentation of democracy and civil rights in Iraq are high on the list of priorities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It was about oil, but not for personal gain from oil. It was about establishing a U.S. sphere of influence in the oil rich region. It was about American interests.
    Of course, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. However, there was also a genuine belief in the Democratic Peace Principle and the domino effect such an action would have in the region. They legitimately believed (and may well still believe) that 25 years from now, the region will be far more stable than it would have been otherwise, thus meaning a better situation for us. They may be right.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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