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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    So, let's compare:




    Looks like I win!

    BTW, The Iraq war resolution voted on and passed by congress and the quote you provided of Wolfowitz didn't list the reasons for war in order of importance.
    With support that was garnered from manipulated intelligence.
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Wow. Have you actually read the resolution? Because, really, what you just said is not in the least bit true.

    It is true that the administration focused on Iraq's alleged WMD's and Iraq's desire to restrict WMD inspections... But the resolution voted on by congree alleged many other items including the repression of the citizens of Iraq and the stability of the Middle East.

    But, don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.
    I didn't, although you certainly have. Here is a copy of the Iraq War Resolution.

    1) In what are referred to as the whereas (in the first section), some have taken out of context the "whereas" that "Iraq repressed its population" as meaning to free the population, when in fact, it was put in there to reference Saddam's attacks on the population with chemical weapons. This is put into context in the very next "whereas":

    Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and
    willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations
    and its own people;
    2) The whereas section refers to connections between Iraq and al-Qaeda (false), members of al-Qaeda being in Iraq and being trained by Iraq (false), Saddam stockpiling WMD's (false), Iraq having an advanced nuclear weapons program (false), Iraq was a threat to the United States (false), through inference, that Iraq was involved in the planning of the 911 attacks (false), and was harboring those who committed the 911 attacks (false).

    3) Some refer to this "whereas" as freeing the Iraqi people:

    Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed
    the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United
    States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi
    regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to
    replace that regime;
    However, this again is in the context of overthrowing Saddam and replacing him for his violation of Security Council resolutions, not as a casus belli to invade iraq, as will be made clear in the actual authorization itself.

    4) The "whereas" section is not the authorization. the authorization, which is in section 3, reads as follows:

    (a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
    Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
    appropriate in order to--
    (1) defend the national security of the United States
    against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
    (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
    resolutions regarding Iraq.
    Notice the context of defending the US against the threat posed by Iraq. And why is Iraq a threat to the United States? Because of their WMD's, of course. Also notice where it says enforce the Security Council Resolutions. These resolutions were for Iraq to get rid of it's WMD's, and not to pursue a nuclear weapons program.

    5) Notice that, in the authorization itself, freeing the Iraqi people is not mentioned. Only parts 1 and 2 in section a, which is the authorization itself.

    Now, instead of name calling and personal attacks (To wit - You lied when you said I did not read the resolution, made a misstatement when you said that what I said was not true, and added an ad hominem personal attack at the end to boot), you might go through the resolution yourself, and point out in the actual authorization section, which is the pertinent part of the resolution, where this is about freeing the Iraq people, instead of attacking Iraq over WMD's.

    Ball is in your court now.
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    With support that was garnered from manipulated intelligence.
    Well, that's open to debate. But really, there's no point in debating it for either of us.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The biggest lie is when no WMD's were discovered, and the Bush administration began telling everyone that the war was fought to free the Iraqi people. However, the ONLY reason given to invade Iraq was the WMD issue, and this is the ONLY issue that was given to Congress to justify the resolution to invade Iraq. The resolution to invade Iraq that was voted on by Congress specifically pointed to WMD's and Saddam's so-called attempts to reconstitute its nuclear program, despite the intel showing that Saddam had given that up in 1991.

    Wrong Very Wrong do any of you really no what a ****ing WMD is huh please tell me if you can. Also any of you care to listen to someone who was actually on the ground and in many of these site looking for Weapons, also the real reason we went into Iraq was because now follow with me folks "SADDAM WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE GULF WAR CEASE FIRE AND WOULDN'T LET US WEAPON INSPECTORS DO ARE JOBS"

    Hey Dog maybe you should explain to folks what I used to do for a living since we had a very good discussion on this topic over on that "Other Forum"

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion89 View Post
    wrong very wrong do any of you really no what a ****ing wmd is huh please tell me if you can. Also any of you care to listen to someone who was actually on the ground and in many of these site looking for weapons, also the real reason we went into iraq was because now follow with me folks "saddam was in violation of the gulf war cease fire and wouldn't let us weapon inspectors do are jobs"

    hey dog maybe you should explain to folks what i used to do for a living since we had a very good discussion on this topic over on that "other forum"
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    This is not "old news" Cheney has never admitted this openly before today.

    Why is this?

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    This is not "old news" Cheney has never admitted this openly before today.

    Why is this?
    But Bush has.

    Did he feel the need to do it right behind Bush to show they were in line in thinking?

    Does Vice President Biden play repeater with President Obama?
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Wrong Very Wrong do any of you really no what a ****ing WMD is huh please tell me if you can. Also any of you care to listen to someone who was actually on the ground and in many of these site looking for Weapons, also the real reason we went into Iraq was because now follow with me folks "SADDAM WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE GULF WAR CEASE FIRE AND WOULDN'T LET US WEAPON INSPECTORS DO ARE JOBS"

    Hey Dog maybe you should explain to folks what I used to do for a living since we had a very good discussion on this topic over on that "Other Forum"
    I'm sorry Scorp honestly I do not recall discussing in detail what you do for a living. It has always been alluded to that you work for the Government at the Pentegon and I do recall that you flew off to Korea when they set off that missile in April. Oh yes you did say that you worked on the weapons inspection teams on the lead up to the war. I recall asking specifically what WMD's were found..I don't really recall getting an answer.
    Maybe a refreshing of the facts in in need scorp?

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    But Bush has.

    Did he feel the need to do it right behind Bush to show they were in line in thinking?

    Does Vice President Biden play repeater with President Obama?
    Please post a link where Bush has made this statement?

    Did Bush make a similar statement yesterday?
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Bush stated a long time ago there was no link between Iraq and 9-11. I've read it numerous times.

    Bush: No Iraq link to 9/11 found.

    Thursday, September 18, 2003

    Bush: No Iraq link to 9/11 found
    President says Saddam had ties to al-Qaida, but apparently not to attacks

    By SCOTT SHEPARD
    COX NEWS SERVICE

    WASHINGTON -- President Bush, having repeatedly linked Saddam Hussein to the terrorist organization behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, said yesterday there is no evidence that the deposed Iraqi leader had a hand in those attacks, in contrast to the belief of most Americans.

    The president's comments came in response to a reporter's question about Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion Sunday on NBC's "Meet The Press" program that Iraq was the "geographic base" of the terrorists behind the attacks on New York and Washington.

    Bush said yesterday there was no attempt by the administration to try to confuse people about any link between Saddam and Sept. 11.

    "No, we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th," Bush said. "What the vice president said was is that he (Saddam) has been involved with al-Qaida.
    *insert profound statement here*

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