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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Really.
    How about a link to one of those.
    From the Washington Post, "Bush Began to Plan War Three Months After 9/11", By William Hamilton, Washington Post Staff Writer dated Saturday, April 17, 2004:

    Beginning in late December 2001, President Bush met repeatedly with Army Gen. Tommy R. Franks and his war cabinet to plan the U.S. attack on Iraq even as he and administration spokesmen insisted they were pursuing a diplomatic solution...
    Understand that having plans in place (which I am sure we've had since well before 1990) does not indicate intent.[/QUOTE]

    If you intend to retire someday, you plan for it by setting aside money by virtue of savings and investing for that eventuality, correct?

    Same thing could be said of going to war. If you intend on fighting you make plans beforehand. Our former president did make such plans long before actually going to war with Iraq and certainly long before going public with his "intentions".

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Originally Posted by Objective Voice
    Where have you been? There have been media reports that confirm that Bush-43 had every intent to go to war with Iraq even before he took office.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Really.
    How about a link to one of those.
    Understand that having plans in place (whiuch I am sure we've had since well bore 1990) does not indicate intent.
    You don't like to read much I see. Links to this proof has been all over this forum but then, you would have to read them to know about them, ehh?

    Let's see how you respond to this little gem:
    [quote]And what happened at President Bush's very first National Security Council meeting is one of O'Neill's most startling revelations.

    “From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,” says O’Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

    “From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime,” says Suskind. “Day one, these things were laid and sealed.”

    As treasury secretary, O'Neill was a permanent member of the National Security Council. He says in the book he was surprised at the meeting that questions such as "Why Saddam?" and "Why now?" were never asked.

    "It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this,’" says O’Neill. “For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap.”

    And that came up at this first meeting, says O’Neill, who adds that the discussion of Iraq continued at the next National Security Council meeting two days later.

    He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. “There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, ‘Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,’" adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Based on his interviews with O'Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq's oil wealth.

    He obtained one Pentagon document, dated March 5, 2001, and entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts," which includes a map of potential areas for exploration.[/quote]
    See: Bush Sought ‘Way’ To Invade Iraq? - CBS News

    Now, to be fair, I don't expect you, or any of the Bushies on this forum, to give this any credence. But, for those looking for the truth, this is a keeper.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Beginning in late December 2001, President Bush met repeatedly with Army Gen. Tommy R. Franks and his war cabinet to plan the U.S. attack on Iraq even as he and administration spokesmen insisted they were pursuing a diplomatic solution...
    Um... you know that December 2001 was --after-- GWB took office and after 9-11 -- right?

    So, how does this in any way support your claim that "Bush-43 had every intent to go to war with Iraq even before he took office"?

    If you intend to retire someday, you plan for it by setting aside money by virtue of savings and investing for that eventuality, correct?
    Same thing could be said of going to war. If you intend on fighting you make plans beforehand.
    No.

    Militaries have plans in place for all kinds of things, -- like invading Iraq, like war against China over Taiwan, like War against North Korea, etc. This is not new, and doesn't in any way indicate that there is any pre-office intent to go to war -- only that there is a plan in place should that be necessary.

    So, I'll ask again -- show that intent.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 06-02-09 at 02:54 PM.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    But, for those looking for the truth, this is a keeper.
    When "truth" means "confirmation of what I want to believe," sure.
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    So the foreign policy of Bill Clinton continued after Jan 2001.
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    From the Washington Post, "Bush Began to Plan War Three Months After 9/11", By William Hamilton, Washington Post Staff Writer dated Saturday, April 17, 2004:
    Uhhhh . . . that would be after 9/11 happened.
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    No, there is nothing Bush said that he was not told by our CIA. This would be the CIA that completely missed Saddam's weapons programs in the '90s. Bush never lied and never intended to.

    At some point with all the bs coming from everywhere you gotta make a decision.
    Wrong. There were things Bush said that were foisted by the Office of Special Plans that were not supported by the CIA. And the Inspector Generals investigation into the matter confirmed this.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    When "truth" means "confirmation of what I want to believe," sure.
    Well, you are free to point out what is incorrect in that article. In fact, why don't you pick up Susskind's book, "The Price of Loyalty" that is all about Paul O'Neill's experiences in the Bush administration? Then come back here and tell us what you disagree with, ok? It's an easy read so, anyone should be able to understand it.

    BTW, if the artricle does indeed confirm "what I want to believe"
    then it follows that "what I want to believe" is... in fact... TRUE!


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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Uhhhh . . . that would be after 9/11 happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Where have you been? There have been media reports that confirm that Bush-43 had every intent to go to war with Iraq even before he took office.
    I stand corrected....tried to corrected this earlier but the 20 minute editting rule had expired. Nonetheless, Bush-43's war plans for invading Iraq by all accounts began prior to 9/11, not before he took office. Again, I stand corrected.

    CNN article dated June 7, 2005

    Of course, when you speak of Bush-43's top advisors - Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz - their intensions to go to war with Iraq may have started long ago...

    http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre..._advisors.html
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 06-02-09 at 03:01 PM.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I stand corrected....tried to corrected this earlier but the 20 minute editting rule had expired. Nonetheless, Bush-43's war plans for invading Iraq by all accounts began prior to 9/11, not before he took office.
    Going to need some support for this, too.

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