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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So your entire argument is based on the Putin's statements being 100% truthful. Good luck with that. We know Putin is just a stand up guy that has American's best interest in mind.
    Not at all! He could be lying for some reason. But that doesn't change the fact that he said it.

    And what if Saddam did attack us and it came out that Putin had warned us? We would have been demanding Bush's head on a platter for ignoring the warning.

    If Saddam was planning terrorist attacks and the Russians showed us evidence it can't just be ignored. We never used this as a reason to go to war. But there IS evidence that Saddam was planning attacks because I have given the links several times. Whether the information is true or not does not change the fact that there is evidence.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Are you talking about the attacks that the US and UK performed in response to Iraq's failure to adhere to UN sanctions? I don't know anyone that considers that a war with Iraq.
    Sustained bombing/missile attacks from one sovereign state upon another is, most clearly, an act of war. Had the Russians or the Chinese done this to us, we'd most certainly call it 'war' and acted accordingly.

    I agree here. Strategically toppling Saddam was a good idea. I never disgreed with the invasion of Iraq and toppling of Saddam. I disagree with how it was planned and executed.
    Fair enough.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    But there IS evidence that Saddam was planning attacks because I have given the links several times. Whether the information is true or not does not change the fact that there is evidence.
    What was he going to attack us with?

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Of course Congress did. The American people wanted blood and the politicians weren't going to risk losing their seats by opposing the citizens. A huge black mark for our politicians in my eyes.
    Another example of politicians chosing personal and partisan power over what they believe to be "the right thing to do".

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    But there IS evidence that Saddam was planning attacks because I have given the links several times. Whether the information is true or not does not change the fact that there is evidence.
    If Iraq was so damn dangerous why did it take a matter of weeks to take over the entire freaking country?!


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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    My point remains the same.

    Even if we (the U.S.) had intel the suggested that Saddam was collaborating with Bin Laden or some rogue faction, until it could be proven that was, in fact, a target towhich he was ready to strick, you don't invade another soverign country.

    I accept the fact that Iraq's WMD/weapons capabilities were of great concern mostly because we really didn't know with a high degree of certainty what Saddam was doing, but IMO all we really had to do was launch a surgical strike at a few key targets, i.e., weapons factories - suspect or real, and that would have put an end to it. We didn't have to invade Iraq to yield the ultimate goal as aspoused by the commentary of the politicians you quoted, which was to end his WMD capabilities.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sustained bombing/missile attacks from one sovereign state upon another is, most clearly, an act of war. Had the Russians or the Chinese done this to us, we'd most certainly call it 'war' and acted accordingly.
    So the did the war end on December 19 when a ceasefire was called and the operation was terminated?
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    My point remains the same.

    Even if we (the U.S.) had intel the suggested that Saddam was collaborating with Bin Laden or some rogue faction, until it could be proven that was, in fact, a target towhich he was ready to strick, you don't invade another soverign country.

    I accept the fact that Iraq's WMD/weapons capabilities were of great concern mostly because we really didn't know with a high degree of certainty what Saddam was doing, but IMO all we really had to do was launch a surgical strike at a few key targets, i.e., weapons factories - suspect or real, and that would have put an end to it. We didn't have to invade Iraq to yield the ultimate goal as aspoused by the commentary of the politicians you quoted, which was to end his WMD capabilities.
    Bush was very clear that we would no longer wait until we were attacked. This is part of the "Bush Doctrine." Everybody seemed to agree with him at the time.

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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Not at all! He could be lying for some reason. But that doesn't change the fact that he said it.

    And what if Saddam did attack us and it came out that Putin had warned us? We would have been demanding Bush's head on a platter for ignoring the warning.

    If Saddam was planning terrorist attacks and the Russians showed us evidence it can't just be ignored. We never used this as a reason to go to war. But there IS evidence that Saddam was planning attacks because I have given the links several times. Whether the information is true or not does not change the fact that there is evidence.
    So our decisions to invade countries are now substantiated by what if scenarios?
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    Re: Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Bush was very clear that we would no longer wait until we were attacked. This is part of the "Bush Doctrine." Everybody seemed to agree with him at the time.
    I did not agree with him.

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