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    Re: General Rick Sanchez Calls for War Crimes Truth Commission

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    If the execution of any policy of the Bush administration resulted in a "war crime" then yes we did.
    Then we agree that no "war crime" was committed under the accords by order of the Bush administration.
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    Re: General Rick Sanchez Calls for War Crimes Truth Commission

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    Then we agree that no "war crime" was committed under the accords by order of the Bush administration.
    I don't know that yet, and neither does anyone else on this forum. None of know everything that went down in Iraq. We know about what we read on the internet, see on T.V., read in the paper, and hear on the radio. That's it.

    We all thought Saddam had WMD's too. Because that's what we were told.

    Hopefully there will be a commission to clear this up. I don't trust Fox and MSNBC. If General Sanchez says we need one, then he either knows it will end the debate and clear us or it will end the debate and indict us. I'm okay either way.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: General Rick Sanchez Calls for War Crimes Truth Commission

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    One problem with equating Obama's rendition policy with torture. You forgot this part...

    President Obama is NOT sending people off to other countries to be tortured. In fact he is taking steps to ensure that doesn't happen.
    "We can draw solace from the seemingly unambitious principals outlined by the administration regarding torture, but the situation must be continually monitored. The Bush administration, lest we forget, also publicly rejected torture throughout Bush's presidency. I would like to know more about the "limited circumstances" Malinowski refers to under which rendition is permissible. But even if such exceptional circumstances exist, they must not be allowed to become the rule. Similarly, the inclusion of the phrase "short-term, transitory basis" must not be allowed to expand into a broad loophole justifying permanent detentions.

    But as he has already stated as did this argument detainment can be "indefinite." Which is worse?

    I started a whole thread about it and no one seemed to care about that.

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    You're assuming that these loopholes are intentional and that they will lead to the torture of individuals. I found this quite interesting...
    The government often leaves loopholes in things with a reason.

    Now that he obviously knows they are present, why have they yet to be closed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    They are speculating that the "armed conflict" part of the statement means "only those taken in an armed conflict." The citation of adhering to the requirement in the other instruments, which are not solely limited to persons detained in an armed conflict, has obviously set an overarching commitment to not torture. Their entire argument rests on just that point...individuals detained in an armed conflict. I simply think it was not worded quite as clearly as it should have been. When I read it I look at that passage as meaning to include those articles, not at all limiting the order to pertain only to the armed conflict clause.
    With all the lawyers etc involved, I have a sneaky suspicion they said exactly what they wanted to.
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    Re: General Rick Sanchez Calls for War Crimes Truth Commission

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I don't know that yet, and neither does anyone else on this forum. None of know everything that went down in Iraq. We know about what we read on the internet, see on T.V., read in the paper, and hear on the radio. That's it.
    I am only going by the accords themselves and what has been released to the public. So I will say so far, nothing has come to light to change my opinion. But nothing is written in stone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    We all thought Saddam had WMD's too. Because that's what we were told.

    Hopefully there will be a commission to clear this up. I don't trust Fox and MSNBC. If General Sanchez says we need one, then he either knows it will end the debate and clear us or it will end the debate and indict us. I'm okay either way.
    I still think it would be a waist of time and money. In the end I would be OK with it either way.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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