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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    FERNANDO DE NORONHA, Brazil - An airplane seat, a fuel slick and pieces of white debris scattered over three miles of open ocean marked the site in the mid-Atlantic on Tuesday where Air France Flight 447 plunged to its doom, Brazil's defense minister said.

    Brazilian military pilots spotted the wreckage, sad reminders bobbing on waves, in the ocean 400 miles (640 kilometers) northeast of these islands off Brazil's coast. The plane carrying 228 people vanished Sunday about four hours into its flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

    "I can confirm that the five kilometers of debris are those of the Air France plane," Defense Minister Nelson Jobim told reporters at a hushed news conference in Rio. He said no bodies had been found and there was no sign of life.
    Debris confirms crash of Air France Flight 447 -- Newsday.com

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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    It sounds like it may have gone down over land. Jungle. The flight from Rio to Paris crosses a big piece of Brazil before it goes over the ocean.


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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Will couldn't be "right" about anything. If "right" walked up and said to him hey, I am "right" he would argue that "right" was actually "left" or that "up" is somehow "down".

    He stated this patent nonsense AFTER the FACTS are clear the plane was out over the ocean. What part of this do you NOT get?

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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Another update; as information comes in, it appears that my initial suspicions may indeed have been correct.

    Air France Had Threat Days Before Crash
    By FEDERICO ESCHER and EMMA VANDORE
    AP posted: 1 HOUR 31 MINUTES AGO

    Meanwhile, ABC News reported that Air France received a bomb threat by phone related to a flight from Buenos Aires, Argentina, to Paris days before Air France Flight 447 departed on Sunday.

    That May 27 flight was delayed in Buenos Aires while authorities searched the plane for 90 minutes. The passengers were not evacuated, no threatening materials were found, and the plane was released to take off for Paris, ABC said.

    The crew made no distress call before the crash, but the plane's system sent an automatic message just before it disappeared, reporting lost cabin pressure and electrical failure.


    Air France Crash Black Boxes

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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Another update; as information comes in, it appears that my initial suspicions may indeed have been correct.

    Air France Had Threat Days Before Crash
    By FEDERICO ESCHER and EMMA VANDORE
    AP posted: 1 HOUR 31 MINUTES AGO

    Meanwhile, ABC News reported that Air France received a bomb threat by phone related to a flight from Buenos Aires, Argentina, to Paris days before Air France Flight 447 departed on Sunday.

    That May 27 flight was delayed in Buenos Aires while authorities searched the plane for 90 minutes. The passengers were not evacuated, no threatening materials were found, and the plane was released to take off for Paris, ABC said.

    The crew made no distress call before the crash, but the plane's system sent an automatic message just before it disappeared, reporting lost cabin pressure and electrical failure.


    Air France Crash Black Boxes
    If a bomb, then who did it I wonder?

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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I am well aware of the operating altitudes of various aircraft I just decided to disregard the altitude blip.

    "In 1963, a Pan Am Boeing 707, on a flight from Baltimore to Philadelphia, crashed near Elkton, Md., after being struck by lightning. All 81 people on board died. The probable cause was listed as "lightning-induced ignition of the fuel/air mixture in the no. 1 reserve fuel tank with resultant explosive disintegration of the left outer wing and loss of control."

    I will agree that in this 1963 case the 707 being on a short hop between Baltimore and Philly they were at short altitudes but there are more cases of lightning bringong down aircraft. The FAA files would have to be searched to find the operating altitudes when these happened. There are some fother first world countries that have good investigative agencies which would have info on cases not under the FAA investigation area.

    At this point I will not rules out a lightning strike for the June 1 , 2009 French flyers !!

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    I heard on the radio that a flame-out induced by heavy rain may also be a possibility. However, given these aircraft have multiple engines it's hard to believe both engines would fail, but I'm not an expert on engines.

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    Crash of Southern Airways Flight 242: Unexpected Severe Weather Conditions Downed a DC-9 Airplane | Suite101.com
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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post


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    Actually they fly a little inland sort of hug the coast in a few places yet when over or near land they are within civilian radar range so if they had gone down over land chances are that they may have been on a radar read when that heppend. At the tip of Brazil they turn towards Africa and then turn generally North and cross over near the Azores toward Paris. The coast of Brazil is generally more populated than the interior so with their path and radar the crash site would have been most likely evident.
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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I heard on the radio that a flame-out induced by heavy rain may also be a possibility. However, given these aircraft have multiple engines it's hard to believe both engines would fail, but I'm not an expert on engines.

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    However, when aircraft like these encounter such rain they turn on what I think is called, continuous ignition, to counter this which ensures the engines get re-ignited if such an event occurs. In addition, if you are at 39,000 feet, or 35,000, the altitudes reported keep changing, you have a LOT of time to glide and re-start the engines.

    This type of event does not lead to the catastrophic events that apparently destroyed this aircraft.

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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If a bomb, then who did it I wonder?
    That is the question isn't it? So why is Air France keeping this information from the public and which group called in the threat? Could it be for political reasons or possible law suits for negligence?

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