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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    It took off like 20 hours ago should have landed 10 hours ago...an Airbus can't fly 20 hours on a row!

    I hope it has softly "crash landed" on the sea, but according to what I've read it's unlikely, as airliners usually explode when they do this
    And if it was truly crashing because of a lightning strike...
    Well I didn't have any hopes from the start for survivors, but it's still sad. 228 people...
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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    It took off like 20 hours ago should have landed 10 hours ago...an Airbus can't fly 20 hours on a row!

    I hope it has softly "crash landed" on the sea, but according to what I've read it's unlikely, as airliners usually explode when they do this
    It can do that? Well if the result is explosion that would explain it i suppose.


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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    It has disappeared from the radar screens, that's what the newspaper was saying
    There are no radar screens for transatlantic flights. But again, it is also a stretch to think that lightening strikes at 39,000 feet and would take down a large aircraft; there are no events that support this scenario.

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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    There are no radar screens for transatlantic flights. But again, it is also a stretch to think that lightening strikes at 39,000 feet and would take down a large aircraft; there are no events that support this scenario.
    No reason to believe terrorism (...)

    It is quite likely the airplane was struck by lightning.
    What happened to Flight 447? | U.S. | Reuters

    Lightning regularly strikes airplanes. In fact, as far as anyone knows, the odds are that each airliner in the USA will be hit by lightning once a year. (Obviously some would be hit more than once, some not at all.)
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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    There are no radar screens for transatlantic flights. But again, it is also a stretch to think that lightening strikes at 39,000 feet and would take down a large aircraft; there are no events that support this scenario.
    If a lightning strike is what happened it almost certainly is not all that happened. The plane was flying into a severe storm, and my guess is that the storm that birthed the strike had more to do with the crash than the strike itself, although a lightning strike could definitely be the immediate cause as it caused certain systems (which may have been partially damaged already) to fail. This is all conjecture, but planes are not storm proof by any stretch of imagination.
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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Has there ever been a record of a lightening strike causing the crash of a large airliner? Answer is no.

    You may want to read your own articles to be more informed.

    As stated by PILOTS, the chances are slim it was the cause. I also argue that at 39,000 feet which was the stated altitude, I am thinking it was higher, this airliner is very unlikely to fly INTO a storm; also taking into account that they have weather radar and would never deliberately fly into severe weather.

    As I stated, I think it is something much more sinister, but my remarks are purely speculative just as all the other remarks are; I am having a hard time understanding your desperate efforts to suggest that my argument is no more valid than others.

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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    If a lightning strike is what happened it almost certainly is not all that happened. The plane was flying into a severe storm, and my guess is that the storm that birthed the strike had more to do with the crash than the strike itself, although a lightning strike could definitely be the immediate cause as it caused certain systems (which may have been partially damaged already) to fail. This is all conjecture, but planes are not storm proof by any stretch of imagination.
    How does ANYONE know this plane flew into a severe storm? Once the aircraft fly’s outside of land based radar, no one knows where or what kind of weather the aircraft may have experienced. I would argue that such an experienced crew would not willfully fly into such severe weather.

    But that aside, what is with all the defensiveness? I stated that I am of the OPINION that it is something more sinister; like a bomb.

    At this time none of us know; but based on my experience as a pilot and having read extensively on commercial aircraft disasters and accidents, this one just doesn't pass the sniff test for being weather related. I am not ruling out the fact that this is what could have happened, but a lightening strike causing a major systems failure; that is almost laughable if not implausible.

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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Has there ever been a record of a lightening strike causing the crash of a large airliner? Answer is no.

    You may want to read your own articles to be more informed.

    As stated by PILOTS, the chances are slim it was the cause. I also argue that at 39,000 feet which was the stated altitude, I am thinking it was higher, this airliner is very unlikely to fly INTO a storm; also taking into account that they have weather radar and would never deliberately fly into severe weather.

    As I stated, I think it is something much more sinister, but my remarks are purely speculative just as all the other remarks are; I am having a hard time understanding your desperate efforts to suggest that my argument is no more valid than others.
    I don't think it has avoided the storm, since I read dangerous clouds can be up to 14km high (= much higher than the plane), and all of them can't be avoided

    I don't think the lightning is the only cause of the crash, even if that's what the experts are saying right now in every newspaper, and even if lightnings have already caused the crash of several airliners (even if it is very rare: once in the USA in 1961, once in Germany during the 80's and once more in China in 2000) USATODAY.com

    Indeed, I read once that airplanes crashes are rarely caused by a single event. We're sure that the electronic systems were damaged (probably by a lightning) since there were alerts (which if the proof that the plane has not exploded directly, and that it was not a terrorist attack).

    If the plane flew into the dangerous zone, maybe it was also hit by hailstones, maybe there was a depressurization etc...something that, combined to damaged electronic systems, could have provoked a crash

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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    I don't think it has avoided the storm, since I read dangerous clouds can be up to 14km high (= much higher than the plane), and all of them can't be avoided

    I don't think the lightning is the only cause of the crash, even if that's what the experts are saying right now in every newspaper, and even if lightnings have already caused the crash of several airliners (even if it is very rare: once in the USA in 1961, once in Germany during the 80's and once more in China in 2000) USATODAY.com

    Indeed, I read once that airplanes crashes are rarely caused by a single event. We're sure that the electronic systems were damaged (probably by a lightning) since there were alerts (which if the proof that the plane has not exploded directly, and that it was not a terrorist attack).

    If the plane flew into the dangerous zone, maybe it was also hit by hailstones, maybe there was a depressurization etc...something that, combined to damaged electronic systems, could have provoked a crash
    Here's the basis of my theory; "We're sure that the electronic systems were damaged (probably by a lightning) since there were alerts.."

    A massive decompression caused by an explosion somewhere within the aircraft at altitude would not cause the plane to disappear instantaneously and would indeed provide time for the systems to send an automated message out.

    A massive decompression would explain why there were no communications from the crew after the automated message went out and there are no instances in modern aircraft where this would have occurred as a result of weather at altitude.

    Now I just had another thought, but am not certain this can be done with the redundancy of systems, but this kind of massive decompression could also occur if someone deliberately were to open an emergency door and if it were close to the cockpit, it could disable the crew in a short instant and result in the loss of the aircraft.

    Again, I am just speculating here like everyone else; but something definitely smells wrong here in my opinion.

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    Re: Air France plane disappears above the atlantic

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    There are no radar screens for transatlantic flights. But again, it is also a stretch to think that lightening strikes at 39,000 feet and would take down a large aircraft; there are no events that support this scenario.
    Actually there is at least one known event of a lighting strike hitting an Airliner. I believe that there was a case of a Super Connie getting whacked by lighting over Arizona or New Mexico IN THE 1950's I think !!

    here is one OVER MARYLAND "Pan Am Flight 214 December 8, 1963 near

    The crash of Pan Am Flight 214 was registered in the Guinness Book of World Records (2005) as the "Worst Lightning Strike Death Toll". In 1971, LANSA Flight 508LANSA Flight 508
    LANSA Flight 508 was a Lockheed Electra L-188A turboprop, registered OB-R-941, operated as a scheduled domestic passenger flight by Lineas A?reas Nacionales Sociedad Anonima , that crashed in a thunderstorm enroute from Lima, Peru to Pucallpa, Peru, on December 24, 1971, killing 91 people – all of its 6 crew and 86 of its 87 passengers....
    was also brought down by a lightning strike, but has no mention in the Guinness Book of World Records, despite having more casualties (91 fatalities). "
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