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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    You will find the states that are highly unionized have a lower productivity then non unionized states. You will also find that those state lose jobs to other states/countries at faster rate.

    How again is it good for the economy?
    Who cares? As long as the unions keep their power, all is well.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Good thing Im getting a Ford truck next week.
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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    A unions job is to negotiate fair compensation for it's members.
    The job of anyone on a side of the negotiating table is to get as much as possible for as little as possible.

    If you don't accept that, then it is YOU who are the naive one.


    I guess you don't even understand what you are saying. If high compensation are the reason GM can't compete the raising the compensation of it's competition makes GM competitive.
    It doesn't make GM any more competitive; it simply cripples the competition and make everyone less well-off, including the "middle class" who will see car prices in general skyrocket.

    But then, that IS modern American liberalism in a nutshell.
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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Funny thread.

    We have every single excuse but that actual reason for GMs demise.

    It is the union's fault.
    It is the massive healthcare cost of GM, plus lets throw in random UHC hatred.
    And finally it is the union's fault again.

    How about the truth for all you that are in denial?

    GM made crap cars that were out dated before they even hit the market. Their management was crap and their whole business strategy was brain dead. Basicly, it was the managements fault, put in place by the greedy shareholders.

    And Zimmer your crackpot "proof" about Europe's UHC system still dont fly even months after it was debunked by me.
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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    OK, so now collective bargaining is extortion. So when you, meaning YOU, go to your boss and say - I want a raise in pay or I'm going to quit - you consider that extortion in the legal sense?
    No, I consider it a condition and a statement of fact, appropriate unless I am under contract, in which case we would both be required to honor those terms. As an contracted employee, or a contracted on with freedom to terminate unilaterally, I have the right to issue a simple statement of fact that I may exercise my right if I continue to feel that continued employment under the existing terms is not to my satisfaction.

    If on the other hand I go to my boss and say, give me a raise or I'll shut your business down (strike), that is simple extortion, and never should have been legal.

    To take a job, agree to the terms of employment and then try to force a change is the act of a common thug.
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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Good thing Im getting a Ford truck next week.
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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    How about the truth for all you that are in denial?
    The truth? Ok...
    You've been asked this before, without any response...
    How much DID the unions and the health care have to play in the deminse of GM?

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The truth? Ok...
    You've been asked this before, without any response...
    How much DID the unions and the health care have to play in the deminse of GM?
    They had their part no doubt about that.

    But tell me this..

    Is it the unions fault that the management of GM were a bunch of pansies that allowed the company to become a bloated cestpool?

    Is it the unions fault that the management of GM decade after decade successfully bribed the US lawmakers to not implement fuel efficiency standards?

    Is it the unions fault that the management of GM refused to accept the fact that oil would run out and that alternatives were needed? Or that the present cars were too expensive to run at a certain oil price because of the mileage issue?

    Is it the unions fault that the management of GM and GM as a whole have produced substandard and crappy cars for decades?

    As for the healthcare costs. Again, is it the unions fault that the GM management bent over and took it up the butt and allowed these things?

    Is it the unions fault that the US healthcare system is a failure of epic poportions and driven by a bunch of greedy monopolistic companies that have driven prices up and up for years on end?

    While I am the first to admit that the unions have damaged GM, no one can deny that the majority of the blame has to be put on the management of GM, put in place by the shareholders. It is their epic fails year after year, decade after decade, that have resulted in the demise of the once proud General Motors. The unions was only a small part in the grand scale of things, but seems to get most of the blame from the usual conservative persons on these boards and in the media.. frankly pathetic.
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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    They had their part no doubt about that.
    OK, so there IS more to "the truth" than "GM made crap cars", etc.
    Thanks.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Funny thread.

    We have every single excuse but that actual reason for GMs demise.

    It is the union's fault.
    It is the massive healthcare cost of GM, plus lets throw in random UHC hatred.
    And finally it is the union's fault again.

    How about the truth for all you that are in denial?

    GM made crap cars that were out dated before they even hit the market. Their management was crap and their whole business strategy was brain dead. Basicly, it was the managements fault, put in place by the greedy shareholders.

    And Zimmer your crackpot "proof" about Europe's UHC system still dont fly even months after it was debunked by me.
    You mean the union made crap cars, don't you?

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