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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Then why do people focus on the union wages? Because cons hate unions because they don't allow employers to take advantage of their labor and cons believe that if you can hold an employee upside down and shake the pennies out of their pockets then the corporation deserves to have those pennies.
    Because union wages and more importantly union benefit packages are a big part of the problem, and libs like unions as a rule(with me being an exception in some ways), so they are a convenient target. And the unions are rightfully a very large part of the problem, and does have to make concessions. You will notice however that the concessions don't include pay hourly pay cuts as I understand it.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No... the usually proposed solution is to unionize everyone -- so as to artifically raise labor costs, thus either raising the cost of the product or lowering the margin of profit.

    "Leveling the playing field" like this in no different that raising average class scores by making the test easier.
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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah, inflation is great. But you're talking about raising prices for everyone and wages for few.

    No. You've simply crippled Toyota so that it make GM look competitive. You don't make an asthmatic runner more competitive by making opponents wear a backpack full of bricks.

    And what about everyone else who doesn't work for a car company? This is just breaking-records-on-your-head laugh-out-loud stupid.
    Right, because GM hasn't been selling cars at the current price, which somehow means that Toyota wouldn't sell them at that price point either.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How are you planning to do that exactly? Tell Toyota is has to pay more, so they move out of the country? Are you going to expect suppliers to pay more too, or would you just shift more work from automaker plants to suppliers?
    Unionize Toyota. The Big 3 did just fine selling cars before foreign competition. Competition is good, but not unfair competition.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Right, because GM hasn't been selling cars at the current price, which somehow means that Toyota wouldn't sell them at that price point either.
    This fails on every level.

    1) GM has been selling plenty of cars.

    2) GM's pricing is largely in line with the market, as is Toyota's.

    3) You're the one gung-ho to raise car prices, not me.
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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Unionize Toyota. The Big 3 did just fine selling cars before foreign competition. Competition is good, but not unfair competition.
    You would force people who do not want to be in a union to be in one? I am pretty sure that is illegal. It is certainly a bad idea.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No... the usually proposed solution is to unionize everyone -- so as to artifically raise labor costs, thus either raising the cost of the product or lowering the margin of profit.
    How is raising wages "artificial"?

    "Leveling the playing field" like this in no different that raising average class scores by making the test easier.
    That is a specious argument and not a valid analogy.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    High salary does not prosperity make.
    Hmm... why not?

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "Fear mongering"?



    Goobieman understood the point, and apparently the concept of analogy.
    Too bad the analogy is false.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Because union wages and more importantly union benefit packages are a big part of the problem, and libs like unions as a rule(with me being an exception in some ways), so they are a convenient target. And the unions are rightfully a very large part of the problem, and does have to make concessions. You will notice however that the concessions don't include pay hourly pay cuts as I understand it.
    Why are unions, in your opinion, a very large part of the problem? Because of increased labor costs (labor costs include honoring contracts made with retirees which they wish to renege on now)? So here we are still talking about labor costs being higher for GM than nonunion companies.

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