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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    OK. Where you going with this? I am nonunion and have a forklift and crane license. I think I am missing something.
    Oh I just thinking that there is positive purpose unions can serve.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Oh I just thinking that there is positive purpose unions can serve.
    Oh! Yes, absolutely. I suspect that most unions are great things. My father was in the CWA(Communication Workers of America), and they helped him right up till he died. He would battle insurance companies, then when they reached an impasse, called the union, who went in and took care of things, twisting the arm of the two insurance companies that came through my fathers old employer.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    So what happened to the billions of dollars Obama gave GM a couple of months ago? Is it completely gone now?

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Isn't one of the goals of a union to develop superior skill sets for its members there by making them more efficient and more valuable as an employee?
    That is a myth. In REALITY, and I speak from personal experience in the construction industry, Union labor merely adds to the cost and length of time it takes to complete a project.

    I have NEVER seen any BETTER quality in the work between the construction I saw in the South and that I which saw in the Northeast.

    The ONLY real difference was the doubling of the cost to build, the doubling of the time it took to build; the intimidation of laborers on the job site by Business Administrators from the Union (in their very expensive suits) and the FACT that these union workers worked specific and LESS hours.

    They came to work at 7:00 a.m. and left exactly at 3:30 p.m. with THREE breaks taking with them the electrical breakers to ensure no one would work illegally after hours.

    In the South, they would work from 7:00 a.m. till it got dark and in some cases, when the schedule demanded it, after dark. They didn't have specific break times and took lunch when the opportunity arose. They made MORE money by getting the work done and moving to the next job.

    Unfortunately, the UNION leadership has been the Unions own worst enemies and have turned the UNION labor into more of an entitlement than a trained efficient work force and actually encourage workers to work at slower pace to ensure work and more labor requirements.

    I worked for the machinists union as a young man and I speaking from personal experience; I was constantly being told I was working TOO fast and increasing the production requirements for my machine for others and this was made CLEAR to me as being no acceptable by the shop steward.

    When I left, I promised to NEVER work in an environment like that again. By the way, this company produced oil valves for the Alaska Pipeline and is out of business now as are many machinist jobs which used to be pre-dominate in this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So what happened to the billions of dollars Obama gave GM a couple of months ago? Is it completely gone now?
    GONE....do not expect to get it back either; we are such generous taxpayers aren't we?

    But look at it this way, we saved an industry right? At least that is what Obama said this money would do.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    GONE....do not expect to get it back either; we are such generous taxpayers aren't we?

    But look at it this way, we saved an industry right? At least that is what Obama said this money would do.
    Guess what all those people employed by GM either directly or indirectly are paying taxes in one form or another. Now would the government want to see these people paying taxes or collecting unemployment?

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    That is a myth. In REALITY, and I speak from personal experience in the construction industry, Union labor merely adds to the cost and length of time it takes to complete a project.

    I have NEVER seen any BETTER quality in the work between the construction I saw in the South and that I which saw in the Northeast.

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    I guess you never heard of the home builder Fox and Jacobs.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Guess what all those people employed by GM either directly or indirectly are paying taxes in one form or another. Now would the government want to see these people paying taxes or collecting unemployment?
    I guess you missed the news;
    General Motors Corp. said Monday it will permanently close nine more plants and idle three others to trim production and labor costs under bankruptcy protection.

    The closures will displace 18,000 to 20,000 GM employees, the company said.

    Six of the plants are in GM's home state of Michigan, which has already been hard-hit by job cuts in the auto industry.

    GM Outlines Additional Plant Closings : NPR

    So tell me how many jobs were saved by the $50 billion the American taxpayers are paying and have paid into this company?

    So back to my issue with Liberal Democrats; why did they claim it was GOOD policy for Bush to RAISE taxes to pay for his deficits but now the idea of raising taxes is NOT even on the table?

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I guess you never heard of the home builder Fox and Jacobs.
    Do share your views about these builders and how their case refutes what I have stated from PERSONAL experience.

    I have not heard of them but am all eyes to see what your argument is going to be.

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    Re: GM goes bankrupt and gets nationalised

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I guess you missed the news;
    General Motors Corp. said Monday it will permanently close nine more plants and idle three others to trim production and labor costs under bankruptcy protection.

    The closures will displace 18,000 to 20,000 GM employees, the company said.

    Six of the plants are in GM's home state of Michigan, which has already been hard-hit by job cuts in the auto industry.
    GM Outlines Additional Plant Closings : NPR

    So tell me how many jobs were saved by the $50 billion the American taxpayers are paying and have paid into this company?

    So back to my issue with Liberal Democrats; why did they claim it was GOOD policy for Bush to RAISE taxes to pay for his deficits but now the idea of raising taxes is NOT even on the table?
    I'd like to know how much did the unions give to try and stop this.
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