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    Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Looks to me like a way to stifle perfectly legitimate dissent considering

    [A] a one state solution has alot of good arguments going for it but by arguing for such a solution you are arguing against the existence of Israel as a Jewish state

    [B] The establishment of Isreal was, undeniably a disaster for the Arabs

    But as Voltaire once said it is dangerous to be right when those in power are so very wrong

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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Its basicly fascism. To make it illegal to be critical of the state or parts of the state.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    The Israeli parliament has passed a preliminary reading of a bill that would mandate the imprisonment of anyone who calls for the end of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state, according to the Jerusalem Post newspaper.
    Could some one explain "preliminary reading of a bill" please.

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    who calls for the end of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state, according to the Jerusalem Post newspaper.
    Does that mean that Jewish fringe group, Neturei Karta, who says Israel shouldn't exist because of their religious beliefs can be imprisoned? That seems to me awfully close to European laws on Holocaust denial. Basically stifling free speech as a whole.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Israel is a nation-state, and this law looks like an attempt to keep it that way.

    Maybe instead of condemning it, Western nations should consider it. Our cultural identities are just as at risk.

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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Israel is a nation-state, and this law looks like an attempt to keep it that way.

    Maybe instead of condemning it, Western nations should consider it. Our cultural identities are just as at risk.
    I disagree. I think it's an attempt to stifle any kind of political dissidence with ambiguous language like the kind used in the Patriot Act in America. Words that don't mean much until they need to be used. Of course we'd have to see the legislation before deciding but I doubt Israel will make it clear what it means. Somebody simply saying that Israel shouldn't exist is not grounds for imprisonment unless they take actions toward making that a reality.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    al Jazeera wrote a negative article about Jews

    Ignoring the nefarious demonizing by the Jew lovers who wrote the article.......


    If you advocate publicly the overthrow or destruction of the United States in the USA you will be arrested as well.
    Hell if you deny the 6 million Jews/or 8 million 'others' got gassed in WWII you'll be arrested in Europe.

    What this is is a Jew hating publication trying to demonize Jews by removing common sense from readers minds so they will accept and demonize nefarious malicious and evil JEWS!
    Der Sturmer was alot more honest.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Somebody simply saying that Israel shouldn't exist is not grounds for imprisonment unless they take actions toward making that a reality.
    Speaking out against the very existence of a nation is a real threat-- if not of violence, of the dissolution of social order. It should be treated as a threat.

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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Can we get a source on this OTHER than Al-jazeera? I don't consider them exactly "objective".

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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    al Jazeera wrote a negative article about Jews
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    Israel's Knesset considers 'loyalty' law - Wikinews, the free news source

    Edited to add: Sorry, did not see you had added to your post. This was only in reference to the first line. Article does add a bit, and following contained links answered the question I had on this. The laws are far from passed if I understand correctly.
    Last edited by Redress; 05-31-09 at 06:04 PM.

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