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Israel debates 'loyalty' law

Apocalypse said:
Anywhere but the targeted area.
Hah, but I already confessed this mistake to you in another thread. You didn't seem to include it in your "YOU DON'T CONFESS YOUR MISTAKES" speech.
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If you did thank you, I don't recall the post because I don't remember the names of all the members, can you please post the link ?
 
Khayembii Communique said:
But you're not going to address the fact of the matter, are you? In quarantining Gaza and then bombing the hell out of it was it somehow not certain that large numbers of civilians would die?
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They can flee to Egypt. And it's not like Israel is bombing every inch of Gaza. as long as they stay away from the terrorists, there's no reason for them to be involved.
 
They can flee to Egypt.
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No they cannot, but that is a different matter entirely. Egypt holds a good deal of responsibility for the situation that the Gazans are currently in, but nowhere near as much as Israel.

And it's not like Israel is bombing every inch of Gaza. as long as they stay away from the terrorists, there's no reason for them to be involved.
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Right, I'm sure all of the people that were killed got that memo but decided to "stay by the terrorists" anyways, whatever that means.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
No they cannot, but that is a different matter entirely. Egypt holds a good deal of responsibility for the situation that the Gazans are currently in, but nowhere near as much as Israel.
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Right. Because Israel is the small devil and the US is the big devil, and Egypt is just blocking Gaza because it's a caring and loving entity. :roll:
Right, I'm sure all of the people that were killed got that memo but decided to "stay by the terrorists" anyways, whatever that means.
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I wasn't there, I can't tell. Were you?
 
Apocalypse said:
They can flee to Egypt. And it's not like Israel is bombing every inch of Gaza. as long as they stay away from the terrorists, there's no reason for them to be involved.
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One and a half million people to Egypt ?????? leaving their homes and their sons behind? remember the Hamas fighters are members of their families.
You honestly think that the families would leave their homes and sons behind and flee to Egypt ?
 
Mira said:
One and a half million people to Egypt ?????? leaving their homes and their sons behind? remember the Hamas fighters are members of their families.
You honestly think that the families would leave their homes and sons behind and flee to Egypt ?
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No, I honestly don't think they'd leave anywhere. But this fella said they can't get out of the strip.
 
Right. Because Israel is the small devil and the US is the big devil, and Egypt is just blocking Gaza because it's a caring and loving entity.
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I suggest you reread what I said about Egypt; it's pretty clear that you didn't read it.

I wasn't there, I can't tell. Were you?
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Yes, that is exactly what happened.:doh

You've got to be kidding me. But when you cant make a credible argument I guess your only recourse is to troll.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
I suggest you reread what I said about Egypt; it's pretty clear that you didn't read it.



Yes, that is exactly what happened.:doh

You've got to be kidding me. But when you cant make a credible argument I guess your only recourse is to troll.
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Always fun to be accused of trolling by people who can't really bring up facts to the table. And you said Egypt was not as responsible as Israel is. You do acknowledge however that they too block the Strip, right?
 
Apocalypse said:
Always fun to be accused of trolling by people who can't really bring up facts to the table. And you said Egypt was not as responsible as Israel is. You do acknowledge however that they too block the Strip, right?
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Hold on, hold on, please read post 81

One and a half million people to Egypt ?????? leaving their homes and their sons behind? remember the Hamas fighters are members of their families.
You honestly think that the families would leave their homes and sons behind and flee to Egypt ?
 
Always fun to be accused of trolling by people who can't really bring up facts to the table.
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FACT: Gazans were quarantined.
FACT: Israel blocks aid to Gaza.
FACT: Israel killed Gazan civilians in its bombings.

And you said Egypt was not as responsible as Israel is. You do acknowledge however that they too block the Strip, right?
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Yes, that is exactly what I was acknowledging.
 
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Mira said:
you only agreed to the principle but not to any of the crimes that I mentioned

"I completely agree, but that doesn't mean I'll stand for faults I don't believe in."
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"It was no secret that mistakes have been done in the IDF's handling of the operation, mistakes that led to civilian casualties."

You've probably read the wrong post.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
FACT: Gazans were quarantined.
FACT: Israel blocked aid to Gaza.
FACT: Israel killed Gazan civilians in its bombings.



Yes, that is exactly what I was acknowledging.
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FACT: Israel was attacked.
FACT: Israel has the right to defend its people.
FACT: Israel tried to avoid civilian casualties.
 
Mira said:
Hold on, hold on, please read post 81

One and a half million people to Egypt ?????? leaving their homes and their sons behind? remember the Hamas fighters are members of their families.
You honestly think that the families would leave their homes and sons behind and flee to Egypt ?
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Indeed, I was trying to make the point that they were not quarantined because of Israel alone.
 
FACT: Israel was attacked.
FACT: Israel has the right to defend its people.
FACT: Israel tried to avoid civilian casualties.
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Concern grows over Gaza aid

By Tobias Buck in Jerusalem
Published: April 21 2009 00:57 | Last updated: April 21 2009 00:57



The European Commission has raised fresh concerns over Israel’s continuing closure of the Gaza Strip, which it says is preventing European humanitarian aid worth more than €34m from reaching the Palestinian territory.

According to an internal Commission document sent to EU member states last week, the tight Israeli restrictions on imports of goods and cash into the strip are doing both humanitarian and political damage. The paper points out that the lack of cash weakens western-backed bodies such as the Palestinian Authority, which is now regularly unable to pay salaries. The Islamist Hamas group, which controls the Gaza Strip, has no such problem because it can smuggle in bank notes through the tunnels linking Gaza with Egypt.

EU diplomats say the aid – fuel for the Gaza power plant and well as cash grants for needy families and civil servants’ salaries – was regularly allowed into the strip prior to the recent Gaza war. They also stress that the support is not intended to support the reconstruction of the war-ravaged strip – the subject of a separate controversy – but constitutes basic humanitarian relief.

”We conservatively estimate that €34.2m of such support which should have been delivered to beneficiaries in Gaza since Operation Cast Lead [the recent Israeli offensive in Gaza] started has not been able to be delivered, and instead is sitting in bank accounts gathering interest,” says the report, seen by the Financial Times.

The paper also bemoans the lack of response from Israeli officials, noting that the Commission wrote formally to the Israeli military seven times over the past year or so. Not once did Brussels receive a reply.
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Please tell me how this is relevant to the three "facts" you have listed.
 
Apocalypse said:
"It was no secret that mistakes have been done in the IDF's handling of the operation, mistakes that led to civilian casualties."

You've probably read the wrong post.
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Ok, I'm sorry, I did read the wrong post.

But Apocalypse, what you don't know is that Israel has been using collective punishment as a way to make Palestinians and Lebanese to surrender for decades.

Don't go as far as wars and invasions, look at the family house demolitions in the beginning of the intifada, just as an example.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Please tell me how this is relevant to the three "facts" you have listed.
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The blockage on the strip existed for one and only one reason: to prevent Hamas from gaining weapons and arming itself.
Israel did, however, pass aid and food. Are you trying to deny this? Because I won't source it up till I'd hear a denial. It makes things way sweeter.
 
The blockage on the strip existed for one and only one reason: to prevent Hamas from gaining weapons and arming itself.
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Then show us how blocking basic humanitarian aid to Gazans serves this purpose.

Israel did, however, pass aid and food. Are you trying to deny this? Because I won't source it up till I'd hear a denial. It makes things way sweeter.
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I just provided a source stating that Israel has blocked $34 million in food and aid and this is your response?

Are you going to site that the Karni crossing was opened for 24 hours? Or that the Rafah crossing was open for 24 hours? How humanitarian of them.
 
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Mira said:
Ok, I'm sorry, I did read the wrong post.

But Apocalypse, what you don't know is that Israel has been using collective punishment as a way to make Palestinians and Lebanese to surrender for decades.

Don't go as far as wars and invasions, look at the family house demolitions in the beginning of the intifada, just as an example.
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A bad example for your side really, as it was "at the beginning of the intifada".
House demolitions are done only against illegally built houses. You won't see Israel going around bulldozing people's houses just like that out of the blue. And to keep things balanced, illegally built Jews' houses are also being demolished.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Then show us how blocking basic humanitarian aid to Gazans serves this purpose.



I just provided a source stating that Israel has blocked $34 million in food and aid and this is your response?
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I did not deny this blockade of alleged food and aid. I merely asked if you deny that Israel does transfer humanitarian aid at all.
 
Apocalypse said:
A bad example for your side really, as it was "at the beginning of the intifada".
House demolitions are done only against illegally built houses. You won't see Israel going around bulldozing people's houses just like that out of the blue. And to keep things balanced, illegally built Jews' houses are also being demolished.
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No, I'm not talking about that. When one member of a family was accused of having engaged in attacks against Israel, the family house was bulldozed leaving everyone out in the street.

I just gave that as an example of collective punishment and that was just the beginning. Terrorising civilians has been a technique that they have been using for decades and bombing civilians is one of them.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
If you did not deny it then it would not be "alleged".
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It is always alleged when people are involved. I do not deny it, however. Honestly. ;)
Are you going to site that the Karni crossing was opened for 24 hours? Or that the Rafah crossing was open for 24 hours? How humanitarian of them.
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There was also some sort of a 'humanitarian' break for every few hours every day. During that time Israel has passed aid and food trucks into the strip. Hamas used that time to come out of its sewers and launch rockets at Israel, knowing it won't strike back.
 
Mira said:
No, I'm not talking about that. When one member of a family was accused of having engaged in riots, the family house was bulldozed leaving everyone out in the street.
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Riots? No. Terrorism? Yes.
The house is only demolished if it's written on the terrorist's name. If it isn't, only the terrorist's part of the house is being destroyed. Israel needs to do something to deter terrorism.
I just gave that as an example of collective punishment and that was just the beginning. Terrorising civilians has been a technique that they have been using for decades and bombing civilians is one of them.
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And here we go again with the bombing and terrorizing civilians stuff.
 
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